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trumad

(41,692 posts)
Mon Mar 19, 2012, 03:06 PM Mar 2012

My prediction for Peyton Manning...............

I've seen it a thousand times in the NFL.

A long time legend joins another team and flames out spectacularly.

There have been exceptions. Montana didn't do half bad in KC---but he clearly wasn't the Joe of old times.

Here's the thing about Manning.

Dude had major surgery on his neck...4 to be exact. The most serious was the cervical fusion.

Guys---that's some serious shit.

Now---if he was a young pup a couple of years into the league... I'd give him a better chance to come back strong.

But he is not---dude is football old at 36.

This is what I think will happen.

Manning will be efficient this season and no more---and he won't be close to the Peyton Manning that has a career rating of 94.9.

And here's my bold prediction. He will go down hard by mid-season and either miss the rest of the season, or most of it.

Why?

Because guy's like Marino, Favre, Manning, ---they don't get sacked for one reason----instinct and the step-up and sideways movement in the pocket.

When Marino lost that ability---he was done. ---I think Manning will lose it just like Marino.

Then again---who the fuck really knows.

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My prediction for Peyton Manning............... (Original Post) trumad Mar 2012 OP
I think it's a bad signing. ellisonz Mar 2012 #1
Oh I get why big time... trumad Mar 2012 #2
Meh... ellisonz Mar 2012 #5
1st round? trumad Mar 2012 #10
Tebow has won NFL games. ellisonz Mar 2012 #13
Looked Pretty Good? ProfessorGAC Mar 2012 #15
Without doing a statistical analysis... ellisonz Mar 2012 #21
Tebow didn't look good. HuckleB Mar 2012 #16
We'll find out now... ellisonz Mar 2012 #20
Oh, I think we know the answer already. HuckleB Mar 2012 #22
Apparently there will be something JonLP24 Mar 2012 #3
Insurance... ellisonz Mar 2012 #7
You think the Broncos made this decision based on religion? HuckleB Mar 2012 #17
I said no such thing. ellisonz Mar 2012 #19
Disliking an individual is not the assessing his talent. HuckleB Mar 2012 #23
Really? ellisonz Mar 2012 #25
That's your evidence that most DUers can't see the difference? HuckleB Mar 2012 #27
snarf trumad Mar 2012 #24
Jesus rushed for 660 yards... ellisonz Mar 2012 #26
So they should keep him at running back, then? HuckleB Mar 2012 #28
Either fullback or tightend! madinmaryland Mar 2012 #29
LOL trumad Mar 2012 #31
He's an OK running QB Goblinmonger Mar 2012 #35
A five-year contract for $95 million... joeybee12 Mar 2012 #4
Which is why I was TZ Mar 2012 #8
What's really bad is in TWO PLACES I read Teblow joeybee12 Mar 2012 #12
Did you see how long Tebow was able to sit in the pocket last year? denverbill Mar 2012 #6
That was old Manning trumad Mar 2012 #9
The new manning became the new Manning during the joeybee12 Mar 2012 #11
Not to mention that the weather in Denver won't be kind to him MiniMe Mar 2012 #14
That might be an issue for a game or two. HuckleB Mar 2012 #18
But it'll be at the end of the season... joeybee12 Mar 2012 #30
I don't think Manning will make it through THIS season. hughee99 Mar 2012 #32
Manning will follow Unitas in Colts lore. bluedigger Mar 2012 #33
Favre was one Saints head-hunting game from the Superbowl Goblinmonger Mar 2012 #34

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
1. I think it's a bad signing.
Mon Mar 19, 2012, 03:20 PM
Mar 2012

I don't get why Denver crapped all over Tebow who is young, still developing, and popular with the fan base. I think they overpaid and I think he'll get hurt again. I'm just happy the 49ers didn't sign him - All this really proved is that John Elway is a dumbass. I liked Tim Tebow for Denver, flame away.

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
2. Oh I get why big time...
Mon Mar 19, 2012, 03:26 PM
Mar 2012

and if I was Elway I would have pulled the same move.

Tebow is not a good NFL quarterback and will never develop into one.

Lot's of people in the know including arm chair quarterbacks who have watched football for years--- Tebow just doesn't have it.

Watch what he goes for on the market. If the Broncos are lucky to get a 4th pick in the draft---well--- that right there shows you what football people---GM's think of Tim Tebow.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
5. Meh...
Mon Mar 19, 2012, 03:34 PM
Mar 2012

Tebow is unconventional. Also, he looked pretty damn good going 7-4 last year and beating the Steelers in the playoffs.

He's not a prima donna type throw first quarterback, but he can run, he's tough, and he keeps the other team guessing. Tebow is humble and no grumble, where I come from that's a virtue (and don't give me that religion crap, players were praying on the field long before Tebow).

I think Tebow is probably worth a mid-high first round pick and a role player or two/or more draft picks.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
13. Tebow has won NFL games.
Mon Mar 19, 2012, 03:56 PM
Mar 2012

There's no guarantee RG3 is going to perform better. He's no Ryan Leaf.

On edit: they probably won't get much for him, but if I needed a QB, I'd take a flier. The draft beyond the top two QB's this year is weak.

ProfessorGAC

(65,042 posts)
15. Looked Pretty Good?
Mon Mar 19, 2012, 04:23 PM
Mar 2012

No he didn't. He compiled the worst passing stats in the league. If not for some braincramping by the coaches of the Raiders, Chiefs, Dolphins, and Bears they would have gone 3 and 8. And, they beat the Bears when they were without their starting QB and RB.

When he played against smart defenses, the Broncos got stomped.
GAC

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
21. Without doing a statistical analysis...
Mon Mar 19, 2012, 05:05 PM
Mar 2012

...I would say there are a lot of good QB's in the league, but Tebow isn't the worst QB to start against the NFL and there are a number of dominant defenses where it doesn't really matter.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
16. Tebow didn't look good.
Mon Mar 19, 2012, 04:29 PM
Mar 2012

The rest of the Broncos looked good. That's why they went after Manning. They have a decent team.

Last year, I kept asking if any of any other team wanted Tebow for their starting QB.

No one wanted that.

Tebow isn't a starting QB. End of discussion.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
3. Apparently there will be something
Mon Mar 19, 2012, 03:27 PM
Mar 2012

in the contract to financially protect the Broncos if something happens related to his neck. They did see him workout, throw so they were happy with what they saw and passed the physical portion. Of course they overpaid, with so many teams in the mix it comes down to do you want Manning or not? If the answer is yes you have to outbid the others. Plus the Broncos have a large amount of cap space.

With Denver as my favorite AFC team, I'm happy. I'm also glad it keeps them far away from Tebow as the future of this team.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
7. Insurance...
Mon Mar 19, 2012, 03:36 PM
Mar 2012

...but they're still taking a big risk. I would have kept Tebow and improved the Denver o-line and receiving corps. But that's just me, I don't care about religion, I care about winning.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
19. I said no such thing.
Mon Mar 19, 2012, 05:00 PM
Mar 2012

I think a lot of posters at DU dislike Tim Tebow simply because of his religion and not anything to do with his performance on the field.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
23. Disliking an individual is not the assessing his talent.
Mon Mar 19, 2012, 05:06 PM
Mar 2012

Most DUers are smart enough to separate the two.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
26. Jesus rushed for 660 yards...
Mon Mar 19, 2012, 05:15 PM
Mar 2012

...with an average of 5.4 yards and 6 touchdowns.

They are going to miss Tebow when Manning goes down with another neck injury.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
35. He's an OK running QB
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 03:07 PM
Mar 2012

He might make a good Tight End (I'm assuming he has good hands). But seriously, religious fanaticism aside, he SUCKS as a passer. You HAVE to admit that.

denverbill

(11,489 posts)
6. Did you see how long Tebow was able to sit in the pocket last year?
Mon Mar 19, 2012, 03:36 PM
Mar 2012

It seemed like he was sitting in there for 5 minutes sometimes.

The reason Manning is so good is because he can read defenses and hit the open man quickly. Denver's o-line will give him all the time he needs. I don't think he'll be getting hit all that often.

They will, however, still need a decent running back.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
11. The new manning became the new Manning during the
Mon Mar 19, 2012, 03:55 PM
Mar 2012

2010 season...clearly he was on the decline then, even before his surgery...fortunate for him Elway's an idiot.

MiniMe

(21,716 posts)
14. Not to mention that the weather in Denver won't be kind to him
Mon Mar 19, 2012, 04:18 PM
Mar 2012

He is used to a domed stadium. The snow will not be good for his neck

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
32. I don't think Manning will make it through THIS season.
Mon Mar 19, 2012, 08:54 PM
Mar 2012

Broncos miss the playoffs, and Manning's health concerns coupled with diminished arm strength and a new offense have him out of the league by the following year.

For the Broncos, still a "smart" signing for one reason. Tebow isn't "the guy" and he's likely not going to develop into "the guy", but he is very popular in Denver, which means they'd be saddled with him for several years. Now, they can get Tebow out AND still make the fans happy. Before the end of the year, they're already looking for Manning's replacement, but Tebow is gone somewhere else, so they're free to make whatever move they want to.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
34. Favre was one Saints head-hunting game from the Superbowl
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 03:05 PM
Mar 2012

Last edited Tue Mar 20, 2012, 03:39 PM - Edit history (1)

with the Vikings. That's hardly a flameout. OK, the next year, different story.

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