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Thanks to wtmusic for the invite to your forum. (Original Post) Cleita Oct 2012 OP
What did you buy?... TeeYiYi Oct 2012 #1
A Raleigh Venture 3.0 Cleita Oct 2012 #2
The best bike is the one you'll ride. TeeYiYi Oct 2012 #3
I wish I had been more knowledgeable about this to get a deal, Cleita Oct 2012 #4
I had a Raleigh in the 1970s, very good bike happyslug Oct 2012 #6
Aluminum or Steel??? happyslug Oct 2012 #8
I dunno.... Cleita Oct 2012 #9
Either one is a good bike, the difference is marginal happyslug Oct 2012 #12
I'm happy you got a bike.... a la izquierda Oct 2012 #5
Have you thought of finding a homeless person to give it to? Cleita Oct 2012 #7
I should find out if there are any organizations in the Columbus area... a la izquierda Oct 2012 #10
If there aren't any services like a shelter or soup kitchen you won't Cleita Oct 2012 #11
How exciting! wtmusic Oct 2012 #13
Thanks again and I will keep you updated because this is a new adventure Cleita Oct 2012 #14
Welcome back to bicycling! Fumesucker Oct 2012 #15
Krik Edward krik65 Dec 2012 #16

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
2. A Raleigh Venture 3.0
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 02:01 PM
Oct 2012

Frankly, I never heard of it, but the bike shop guy says its best for riders like me who probably need a little comfort with the ride.

TeeYiYi

(8,028 posts)
3. The best bike is the one you'll ride.
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 02:21 PM
Oct 2012

I hope you'll be happy with it. It has good reviews.



I've been shopping on craigslist today. Lots of people dumping their bikes before winter. It's a virtual fire sale in Utah.

TYY

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
4. I wish I had been more knowledgeable about this to get a deal,
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 02:32 PM
Oct 2012

however, I felt in the long run a deal would be a waste of money if I couldn't ride the damn thing. I guess I need my hand held for awhile until I get back in the saddle so to speak.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
6. I had a Raleigh in the 1970s, very good bike
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 03:37 PM
Oct 2012

Last edited Tue Oct 9, 2012, 04:09 PM - Edit history (1)

Raleigh is an English Bike Company (There use to be an American Bike Company named Raleigh, but it has been out of business for decades). In 1946, 95% of all imported Bikes into the US were Raleigh, and that continued till well into the 1960s. These were lightweight Chrome-Moly frame bicycles, most with three speed rear ends (as was mine).

My Raleigh was a hand me down, someone gave it to my father who gave it to me. Thus in the middle of the first ten speed craze I was riding a three speed that was at least ten years old when I received it. As a Teenager it was my major means of transportation. It was superior even to the first ten speeds my sister's picked up (My inferior to my older brothers Schwinn ten speed which had drop down handlebars and ten speed and a Chrome-Moly frame), but by then my Raleigh was ten years of hard use met it needed new parts and I could not afford it, so I put it away till I had the money to repair it. Never did do the repairs, for I had moved and been given a bus pass by my new High School and used it to get around instead of the bike (I believe the bike was later stolen, but my memory is hazy on that subject for I had not used it for a couple of years by the time it disappeared, it could have been just thrown away). I did ride it between my old home and new home via my father's work (Where he had arranged for me to do some yard work). I Still remember riding to the new house by bike and map and avoiding the main streets taking a side road that look good on a map, but ended up being a flight of stairs. That I had to climb UP.

Lousianna Avenue, Dormont, Pittsburgh Pa 15216



Then once I climb that set of Stairs, I had to climb another:"


Pain in the neck, but doable. I walked the bike up the stairs. The Raleigh was light enough to be toted, and good enough to take the abuse.

At that time Raleigh were still made in England, today they are made either in Taiwan of Vietnam. Releigh is still indepedent unlike Schwinn, Giant and even Cannondale, all owned by Dorel Company. Dorel Company, a Canadian Company that has its bikes made in Taiwan.

More on Raleigh:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raleigh_Bicycle_Company

Raleigh Company cite:
http://www.raleighusa.com/

Dorel owns a lot of old bike companies name, but tend to make them all in the same factory to the same specs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorel_Industries

Read more on the decline of Schwinn bicycle, and how they shot themselves in the foot by first going overseas to buy cheaper bicycles:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwinn

Schwinn still lives on as Waterford Bicycles, founded by the last member of the Schwinn family that truly understood bicycles:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterford_Precision_Cycles

Yes, I remember my Raleigh, it was a great bike and I hate what has happened to the bike industry over the last 40 or so years. Schwinn is gone for all practical purposes, and that looks like the fate of Cannondale. Trek is still holding its own but I fear Raleigh is going the same route of Schwinn, becoming a marketer instead of a maker of bicycles and that can be fatal. On the other hand Raleigh seems to have retained control over what is sold under its name, so it may survive but for now it seems to retain its good name.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
8. Aluminum or Steel???
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 05:29 PM
Oct 2012

I ask for Raleigh sells BOTH as a Venture 3.0. AS to the steel version I do NOT know what is meet by the term "Steel Comfort Geometry" when it comes to the frame, is it a Chromium and Molybdenum steel tube (Commonly referred to as Chrome-Moly) Frame or a High Tension Steel Frame?

http://www.raleighusa.com/archive/2012-comfort/venture-3-0-12/

For more on Chrome Moly Steel see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/41xx_steel

For more on Molybdenum:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molybdenum

For more on Chromium
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium

Chromium is the key material in Stainless Steel, but Stainless Steel is about 10% Chromium, unlike the low Chromium in Chrome-Moly Steel:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stainless_steel

To most people this sounds stupid, something with the name High Tension Steel has to be better than other steel, and it was the wonder material of 1900 (had the Titanic been made of it, and it could have been, it would have survived the iceberg).
Chrome-Moly Steel was the Wonder material of the 1930s, it permitted more rigid frames which in turn made pedaling easier. Most department store bikes are High Tension Steel, but some today are Chrome-Moly (use NOT to be the case, but people have learned the difference). With the advent of TIG welding in the late 1970s, the cost of Chrome Moly Frame has dropped to be not that much more then High Tension steel (Prior to the 1970s, Chrome Moly framed had to use butted joints or be brazed, not welded, this made them 2-3 times the cost of High Tension Steel Frame that could be just welded together). Chrome Moly Frame are almost as Rigid as Aluminum frames, and the more rigid the frame the easier it is to peddle (High Tension Steel absorbs up to 70% of the power applied to the peddles compared to Chrome Moly Steel, thus it is easier to peddle a Chrome Moly frame then a High Tension Steel Frame).

Aluminum is even more rigid then Chrome Moly Steel (Through NOT the big jump as between High Tension Steel and Chrome Moly Steel). Titanium and Carbon Fiber frames are even more rigid, but again not the big jump from High Tension Steel to Chrome Moly Steel.

As to the other components, the Aluminum and Steel Venture 3.0 appears about the same:

For the Aluminum 3.0 Venture:
http://www.raleighusa.com/archive/2011-comfort/venture-30-11/

Both come with a seven speed rear gear, nine speed has been the top end for the last 20 years but is good enough for most people (unless you want to ride up a steep mountainside, without having to dismount, in such situations I recommend dismounting and walking the bike up the mountainside even if you have a nine speed).

The Shifters on both are the same, Shimano TX-51 and Shimano Altus
SHIFTER and Shimano SL-RS31 Revo 7spd. Good systems, not top end (XTR) nor what I would recommend (XT) but good enough to use till you decide you like biking and want to upgrade (Which I recommend you do, to the XT level, XTR is twice as expensive as the XT, but is NOT twice as good, it is designed for racer to get a slight advantage, something you will never really need). P.S. I have XTR components on my Cannondale, when they wear out I opt for XT, I am NOT racing and thus do not need to spend twice the money to get 1% better performance.

Weinmann Rims are among the best, The CN-520 is on the low end of their range, but good enough for the next five or ten years, at which point you may decide to replace them. Again, get into riding and see if you want to stay with it before you upgrade. If you do upgrade I recommend you contact PeterWhiteWheels. Com

http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/

Peter White makes wheels from rims and spokes. He is NOT cheap, but his wheels will last 10 years or longer with rough usage. I like him for he can make a front wheel with a Generator in it for the use of lights. I have used one for over ten years and I like it, no need to worry about the battery going out (but you do have to worry about the wires). Please note these are NOT cheap (Starting at $279 and going to $350 just for the generator, the spokes and rims are extra). Please note he sells conventional incandescent lights and LEDs, I recommend you get the LED lights

His web site on Schmitt Genertor hubs:
http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/schmidt.asp

Since you are just starting to ride, I do NOT recommend the generator wheel, but after six months or so, you may want to look into it. He also sells generators for the side of the Wheel AND battery powered lights. Wheel Generators can be 12 volts at $306, six volts at $52. The 12 volt produces more light at speed, but requires high speed, the Six Volt has more drag (for it uses cheaper components then the 12 volt generator AND the hub generator) and I would NOT recommend it (The hub generator is that much better). The advantage of these generators is you can use your existing wheels, the down side is they are affected by the weather more then a hub generator is.

I bring up Generators for it is October, but before you decide on a generator look into a battery LED headlight and taillight and remember most states law only require a HEADLIGHT on a bicycle at night.

http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/dymotec.asp

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
9. I dunno....
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 05:34 PM
Oct 2012

The only thing the sales slip says is Frame type M which I think stands for male. I didn't even think about the metal. I'm sorry. I really just told the bike guy what I needed, what I wanted to use it for and what I could pay. He knows what the terrain around here is. I totally put myself in his hands after that. I will be getting a manual with the bike, but I don't have it now.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
12. Either one is a good bike, the difference is marginal
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 10:56 PM
Oct 2012

The components were the same for either (Thus I suspect the Steel Frame is a Chrome Moly Frame, otherwise why put the same components on an inferior frame?). Since your note says "M" that means it has a straight top tube like an old fashion Male bike, NOT a drop down central tube like an old fashion "Girl's bike".

Now this is Steel Bike, the geometry will be the same if it is an Aluminum frame. I suspect your bike will be Aluminium, but I want to show you the correct GEOMETRY for the web site shows the Aluminium bike with a drop down central tube. Here is the STEEL Venture 3.0

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Most US bike sellers will sell you an aluminum bike, it is considered the better bike frame, please note I said it is considered the better frame, but it is only marginally better then a Chrome Moly Steel frame. Please note the picture for the Alumium Venture 3.0 is the "Woman" version of the Venture 3.0, the male Version has a geometry like the steel one pictured above. I am only putting woman's version to show you want I mean by drop top tube. It appears you have a Straight Tube bike like the Steel one above.



Till quite recently (and may still be the case) the drop top tube was an American only type bike. Europeans and Asian never seem to accept it (basically due to its weaker frame, triangles are preferred in any construction due to triangles inherent strength).

Today, with the onset of TIG welding the drop tube has seen a come back, not only for women in dresses but also by men who have a hard time swinging they legs over the rear of a bike. TIG welding makes a very strong weld permitting drop tubes to approach the strength of a straight tube.

I suspect your bike has a Straight tube, but I can see the advantages of a drop tube. I use to ride a scooter and scooters by design are more like a drop tube bicycle then a regular bicycle and it was easier to get on the seat and off due to NOT having to left my legs over the seat. I suspect a lot of older people have opt for the drop tube for that reason. Modern technology has eliminated much, but not all, of the strength advantages of the regular Frame over the drop tube frame, thus the drop tube frame has made a resurgence among the elderly (i.e. over 50) or other people with problems getting their legs over the seat of a bicycle.

Now, looking at the Raleigh web site, they do mention Reynolds (The major bicycle tube maker) and Chrome Moly on their high end Steel bikes, but uses the term "Steel Comfort Geometry" on the Steel Venture 3.0. Other cites calls it "Raleigh Steel" but no one defines it. This may mean that Raleigh Steel is High Tension Steel, or it may means that Reynolds tubes are known to be Chrome Moly, and Raleigh had to state it was Chrome Moly as part of its agreement to use Reynolds tubes in its high end steel bikes (i.e. Raleigh Steel may be Chrome Moly, but not Reynolds Chrome Moly). I suspect the later, i.e. Raleigh Steel is Chrome Moly but NOT Reynolds Chrome Moly.

On the net I kept running across dealers selling the Venture 3.0 steel and then they repeating what Raleigh says about it i.e. it is a comfortable bike to ride. The price suggest it is Chrome Moly, for the price of the Steel Version is just a bit lower then the Aluminum Version (When they was a difference).

Reynolds is the top name in making bicycle tubing and has been for decades, I have NEVER had a bike with Reynolds tubing, I can NOT see the need to pay the extra expense:
http://www.reynoldsusa.com/

The best way to test the bike is to ride it and if you like peddling it. In the final analysis that is the final test. I remember my old Reynolds, it was NOT marked Chrome-Moly, it did NOT have Reynolds Tubes. It was much easier to peddle then the High Tension Steel bikes I had used previously. It was NOT up to the level of my older brothers Chrome Moly Schwinn, but that was a ten speed, mine was a three speed and I suspect that made most of the difference (and when I biked with him I was in my early teens, and he was in his early 20s, which I suspected made up most of the difference). My one year younger younger brother road a High Tension Steel Bike and I remember having to wait for him (He was younger, but in better physical shape then I was, he even learned to ride a bike a year before I did, thus the difference in ages was less then between either of us and our older brother).

I remember the trip, it was interesting. All three of us decided to bike from the South Park Area of Allegheny County Pennsylvania to the McKeesport Campus of Penn State. I had to be 12, my younger brother 10-11, my older brother at least 22. I remember going up and down several hills to avoid PA 51 (A four lane highway that went through the middle of the Valley we had to travel through and then cross). Then getting on River Road, in the days the Steel Mills were in full operations. Today, with the Mills gone, it is a smooth road. Then the Steel companies thought nothing of running Tractor Trailers on that road to go from one plant to the next. Whenever the City of Pittsburgh decided it needed money, it would set up a weigh stations and see how many trucks exceeded the capacity of the scales (many did). The Mills would pay the fines and kept on making steel. The weigh limit for the road was 80,000 pounds. It was designed for much lower rates being a two lane (one lane in each direction) converted wagon trail. A police officer later told me he had tractor trailers over 200,000 pounds when he weighed them on that road (200,000 was the max for the scale). This excess weight made the road one long rumble strip. Not potholes, the road just went up and down every foot or so. None of out bikes had suspension so it was an interesting ride. When I rode that road in a Car, it was an interesting ride. I did have a driver yell at me for biking on the road, but other then that except for the condition of the road, a long but interesting trip.

I bring this up for your Raleigh reminds me of my old Raleigh. It was a very good bike, not top end but good.

a la izquierda

(11,795 posts)
5. I'm happy you got a bike....
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 03:11 PM
Oct 2012

though I really would've liked to have been able to offload my husband's We have too many bikes.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
7. Have you thought of finding a homeless person to give it to?
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 03:48 PM
Oct 2012

Last edited Tue Oct 9, 2012, 06:10 PM - Edit history (1)

I notice that many of the homeless in my area have bikes with little trailers on them, an alternative to the shopping cart. I don't know how they got them, but I'm thinking because we have so many bike clubs in my area that maybe those members donated their extra bikes for them to use. Considering how spread out things are here, and probably services are hard to get to, the bikes have to be a big help to them.

a la izquierda

(11,795 posts)
10. I should find out if there are any organizations in the Columbus area...
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 06:16 PM
Oct 2012

that's a great idea. There are literally no homeless people in my town (a very small, distant suburb of Columbus).

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
11. If there aren't any services like a shelter or soup kitchen you won't
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 06:38 PM
Oct 2012

see them that much, but they might be hiding in the fields and woods like they do around here. I'm sure any social service agency can help you.

wtmusic

(39,166 posts)
13. How exciting!
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 03:02 PM
Oct 2012

I hope cycling does for your life what it's done for mine - changed it in a very positive way.

The sky's the limit. When I started riding seriously in 2005 I was out of shape, and struggled to do 15 miles. Now my Saturday ride is usually 80 miles and I ride about half that on Wednesday mornings (when I start thinking I'm hot stuff I compare myself to happyslug).

I would encourage you to find a club in your area, mine is the San Fernando Valley Bicycle Club in L.A. I found a group of great friends who not only ride together but go out to eat (a great combination - you don't gain weight). You will get all kinds of great advice on places to ride, equipment, maintenance, etc. Best of all, you can "draft" each other - ride in each other's wake - which requires about 30% less energy.

You're welcome, and keep us posted.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
14. Thanks again and I will keep you updated because this is a new adventure
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 08:44 PM
Oct 2012

for me. I did drive around town today to all my haunts, the places I go within five miles like the library, the grocery store, the dress shop, etc., etc. to check them out out for bike racks. I was pleased to find that those shopping and recreational areas have them, but also dismayed that they were for the most part empty. I hope that will change in the future.

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