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Related: About this forumU.S. asks court to preserve Obamacare contraception mandate
http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/03/politics/supreme-court-obamacare/By Bill Mears, CNN Supreme Court Producer
updated 11:46 AM EST, Fri January 3, 2014
(CNN) -- The Obama administration asked the Supreme Court on Friday to keep in place an Obamacare requirement that certain religious-affiliated groups cover birth control and other reproductive health services in their employee insurance plans.
The high court was poised to decide whether to grant a temporary injunction sought by a Catholic charity of nuns to delay the mandate.
The Denver-based Little Sisters of the Poor and other non-profits had filed a lawsuit against the federal government, saying the contraception coverage requirement violates their religious liberty.
Justice Sonia Sotomayor issued an emergency injunction on Tuesday for the charity that cares for the elderly poor and sought a response from the Obama administration.
more at link
Jim__
(14,076 posts)It sounds like the government is asking the charity to certify that they have religious objections to providing this coverage. Once they do that, they are exempted from providing it. Then, someone else can provide the coverage. It sounds like they are demanding, not only that they be exempt, but that they can prohibit anyone else from providing this coverage to their employees:
But other nonprofit religious-affiliated groups, such as church-run hospitals, parochial schools and charities like the Little Sisters of the Poor, must either provide no-cost contraception coverage or have a third-party insurer provide separate benefits without the employer's direct involvement.
Organizations that choose to opt-out of direct coverage must sign a document certifying their religious objections, and the government would then require the outside insurer pick up the costs.
"At that point, the employer-applicants will have satisfied all their obligations under the contraceptive coverage provision," said the Justice Department in its brief with the Supreme Court.
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"The government demands that the Little Sisters of the Poor sign a permission slip for abortion drugs and contraceptives, or pay of millions in fines," said Mark Rienzi, senior counsel for the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, the group representing the nuns.
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I certainly hope the court rules against them. Or, should I say, I hope Justice Kennedy rules against them.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)probably understand it the best.
The issue, as far as I can tell, goes further than just a religious objection and into the area of "undue burden".
The Obama administration made a proposal that seemed like a good compromise - having a third party administer the parts of the ACA they objected to, but they rejected that as well.
There is a lot of debate on how this will come down in the end.
It looks like Hobby Lobby is much more likely to lose their case than the RCC, but things still appear very up in the air.
But I could be wrong on some (or all) of this.
pinto
(106,886 posts)Obviously, a guess. Will be interesting to see how this plays out.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)about 8 hours following a prison incident.
Really weird, but there is absolutely no news about it that I can find.
rug
(82,333 posts)It looks more mundane than advertised.
Applicants have no legal basis to challenge the selfcertification requirement or to complain that it involves them in the process of providing contraceptive coverage. As both of the lower courts recognized, this case involves a church plan that is exempt from regulation under the Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974 (ERISA), 29 U.S.C. 1003(b)(2). Employer-applicants third-party administrator therefore will be under no legal obligation to provide the coverage after applicants certify that they object to providing it. If employer-applicants third-party administrator were nevertheless to decide to provide contraceptive coverage, applicants
employees and their covered dependents would receive such coverage despite applicants assertion of their religious
objections, not because of those objections.
Goverment reponse brief, http://www.becketfund.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Little-Sisters-Injunction-Opp-13A691.pdf
Essentially, the Government argues there is no legal harm to the plaintiffs as they are not required to provide contraceptive courage, against their moral beliefs, as that decision is made by a third party.
The Plaintiffs, on the other hand, argue the statutory scheme is tantamount to compelling them to participate in a mechanism that results in supplying contraception against their moral beliefs.
Tellingly, Respondents require no such orderly means for those religious organizations (unlike the Little Sisters) whom they have actually exempted from the mandate. Resp. 11. Yet Respondents continue to insist that their minimalist characterization of the form must control the Little Sisters religious determination about whether they can execute the form, even though six of the seven church plan cases have now entered injunctions protecting those plaintiffs from having to fill out the forms in violation of plaintiffs religious faith.
Plaintiff's reply brief. http://www.becketfund.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/LSP-Supreme-Court-Reply.pdf
I'll have to read this again slowly but it seems to me, that when all is said and done, it will boil down to whether the Court determines if the act to which the plaintiffs object on moral grounds, which the Government concedes is a legally protected objection, is sufficiently removed from the actors so that their protected objection is not violated.
It's going to rest on the language of the statute and the insurance forms. Then they'll have their Thomas More moment.
MORE (Half-turning, half-attending) Act?
ROPER Yes, sir-about the marriage!
MORE (Indifferently) Oh. (Turning back again. ROPER and MARGARET look at one another)
MARGARET (Puts a hand on his arm) Father, by this Act, they're going to administer an oath.
MORE (With instantaneous attention) An oath! (He looks from one to the other) On what
compulsion?
ROPER It's expected to be treason!
MORE (Very still) What is the oath?
ROPER (Puzzled) It's about the marriage, sir.
MORE But what is the wording?
ROPER We don't need to know the (Contemptuously) wording-we know what it will mean!
74
MORE It will mean what the words say! An oath is made of words! It may be possible to take it.
Or avoid it. (To MARGARET) Have we a copy of the Bill?
A Man for All Seasons, Act Two
Jim__
(14,076 posts)I'll also try to read through the documents.
pinto
(106,886 posts)Last edited Fri Jan 3, 2014, 09:58 PM - Edit history (1)
in other employer supported plans? Say the same insurer administers a plan for a supermarket chain and that plan includes contraception coverage. If so, aren't the Little Sisters of the Poor undermining their own argument? Ethically. Their participation with the insurer provides profits that support provision of plans with other employers. Plans that likely offer a contraception benefit.
(on edit) pinto splitting hairs here. I find this one really interesting though.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)One can only hope that SCOTUS sees your split hairs as well as you do.