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Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 08:40 PM Jan 2014

John Scalzi: On Leviticans

http://www.scalzi.com/whatever/002675.html

February 24, 2004
Leviticans

On occasion people ask me what, exactly, it is I have against Christianity, inasmuch as I seem to rail against it quite a bit. My general response is: I have nothing against Christianity. I wish more Christians practiced it. The famous bumper sticker says "Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven," but I often wonder just how often they check in with Christ about that last one. I look at the picture I included with the last entry, the one with the kid protesting the gay marriages in San Francisco, wearing the shirt that has "homo" written on it with a circle and slash through the word, and I try to find some of Christ's teachings in that. As you might imagine, I'm finding very little.

If that kid were hit by a bus and got to meet Christ shortly thereafter, I do imagine the conversation would be a sorrowful one, as the homo-negating young man would have to try to reconcile his shirt with the admonition to love others as one loves one's self. I would imagine at the end of that conversation, the young man would be looking to see if Christ were holding a lever, and if there were a trap door under the young man's feet.

In the comment thread of the last entry, one of the posters wondered why many fundamentalists spend so much time in Leviticus and so little time in the New Testament, and I think that's a remarkably cogent question. Indeed, it is so cogent that I would like to make the suggestion that there is an entire class of self-identified "Christians" who are not Christian at all, in the sense that they don't follow the actual teachings of Christ in any meaningful way. Rather these people nod toward Christ in a cursory fashion on their way to spend time in the bloodier books of the Bible (which tend to be found in the Old Testament), using the text selectively as a support for their own hates and prejudices, using the Bible as a cudgel rather than a door. That being the case, I suggest we stop calling these people Christians and start calling them something that befits their faith, inclinations and enthusiasms.

I say we call them Leviticans, after Leviticus, the third book of the Old Testament, famous for its rules, and also the home of the passages most likely to be thrown out by Leviticans to justify their intolerance (including, in recent days, against gays and lesbians -- Leviticus Chapter 18, Verse 22: "Thou shalt not not lie with mankind, as with womankind; it is abomination&quot .

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John Scalzi: On Leviticans (Original Post) Fumesucker Jan 2014 OP
Well done. cbayer Jan 2014 #1
My pleasure Fumesucker Jan 2014 #4
“No egoism is so insufferable as the Christian with regard to his soul.” rug Jan 2014 #2
It does seem a touch conceited if you look at it the right way Fumesucker Jan 2014 #3
My test is whether a person feels more pride over salvation or more joy over mercy. rug Jan 2014 #5
Heard it the other day, that's what stuck it in my ear Fumesucker Jan 2014 #6
Very good read my friend! hrmjustin Jan 2014 #7
Excellent post! Starboard Tack Jan 2014 #8
Were it that easy. trotsky Jan 2014 #9
It's not really about the Bible for the fundies Htom Sirveaux Jan 2014 #10
Well that's the thing. trotsky Jan 2014 #11
This same fight happened over slavery. Htom Sirveaux Jan 2014 #14
I wouldn't say they were "right" Act_of_Reparation Feb 2014 #15
Except that they are very selective about Leviticus, too LeftishBrit Jan 2014 #12
Good point, but they are the group that tries to make some literal cbayer Jan 2014 #13

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
1. Well done.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 08:46 PM
Jan 2014

Not familiar with him, but this piece is well written and he makes a good case.

I like the term "leviticans".

Thanks for bringing this here.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
2. “No egoism is so insufferable as the Christian with regard to his soul.”
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 08:54 PM
Jan 2014

― W. Somerset Maugham

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
3. It does seem a touch conceited if you look at it the right way
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 08:58 PM
Jan 2014

~My~ soul is God-approved, 99 44/100 percent pure. Even Mr Whipple couldn't resist squeezing this one.

Look what they've done to my soul, ma..



 

rug

(82,333 posts)
5. My test is whether a person feels more pride over salvation or more joy over mercy.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:06 PM
Jan 2014

Thanks for the earworm. Here's a surprisingly good remake.


trotsky

(49,533 posts)
9. Were it that easy.
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 09:45 PM
Jan 2014

Christians have been screaming at each other since the first schism over who's the "real" Christian. This article seems to just be more of the same. If it were so simple to determine what the bible says, and what the teachings of Jesus are, why is there such disagreement, and why has it lasted 2000 years? Doesn't god want to see its children get along?

Are the "Leviticans" evil? Stupid? Are they secretly atheists? Hey, guess what - they're asking the same questions about liberal Christians. And with both sides so rigidly sure they they are right, and the "others" are wrong, and both sides absolutely certain that logic and reason are invalid to try and resolve this impasse, gee, what a surprise that nothing changes.

Htom Sirveaux

(1,242 posts)
10. It's not really about the Bible for the fundies
Thu Jan 30, 2014, 10:28 PM
Jan 2014

The Bible has zilch to say about abortion (except for a passage that can be read as prescribing a religiously sanctioned abortion as proof that a woman has been unfaithful), but the fundies crusade against it anyway. This is about appointing themselves the grand inquisitors of sex. The Bible comes into it because it dates from a time when the patriarchy they support was deep and pervasive. So if they can succeed in freezing interpretation of the Bible in more patriarchal times, they can use it as a weapon of convenience.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
11. Well that's the thing.
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 09:13 AM
Jan 2014

There are passages they can interpret. The whole "In the womb I knew ye" or whatever.

I really don't think it does much good to just say other Christians that they aren't interpreting the bible correctly. Has that ever worked? Isn't that exactly what the fundies say about liberal Christians, too?

Htom Sirveaux

(1,242 posts)
14. This same fight happened over slavery.
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 10:23 PM
Jan 2014

Liberals turned out to be right then, to the point that if you ask conservatives about it today, they'll deny that the Bible could ever truly support slavery.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
15. I wouldn't say they were "right"
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 01:07 AM
Feb 2014

Popular opinion turned against slavery. This doesn't say anything to whether an anti-slavery interpretation of scripture is accurate.

LeftishBrit

(41,208 posts)
12. Except that they are very selective about Leviticus, too
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 10:01 AM
Jan 2014

They rarely follow all those rules about burnt offerings, or about how to farm. They mostly don't pay much attention to the ruling that if you commit adultery with someone else's wife you should be put to death quite as much as if you do so with a man, while if you have sex with a woman on her period, both of you should be 'cut off from your people'.

They certainly rarely follow the following advice:

“‘When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. 34 The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt."

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
13. Good point, but they are the group that tries to make some literal
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 10:56 AM
Jan 2014

interpretations of Leviticus to fit their purposes.

I love the "Dear Doctor Laura" letter on this.

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