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Tue Feb 4, 2014, 06:45 PM Feb 2014

Atheist, Humanist, Secular: Why Fight Over Labels?

Posted: 02/04/2014 12:17 pm EST
Updated: 02/04/2014 12:59 pm EST
Roy Speckhardt
Executive Director, American Humanist Association

No matter how you look at it, the nontheist movement in the U.S. is experiencing momentous growth. According to a Harris poll, those who profess no belief in a god is at the highest percentage ever recorded. Atheism as an identity is also becoming more mainstream and even politically acceptable, as seen by the fact that most Americans would now vote for an atheist running for president (something that would not have been possible even a few years ago).

As any movement expands and incorporates the views of individuals who are new, it makes sense that its members are likely to diversify. Such expansion among those who reject ancient texts and divine revelation as sources of knowledge has led to people identifying in many ways while still seeing themselves as part of the nontheist movement. They use labels like humanist, atheist, agnostic, deist, nonbeliever, nonreligious, freethinker, bright, nontheist, skeptic, secularist and more. There are even millions of Americans who retain labels from traditional faith traditions, like Catholic, Jewish or Buddhist, but also state that they don't believe in an intervening god -- as first clearly revealed in the 2008 Pew Religious Landscape Survey.

David Silverman, president of American Atheists, doesn't seem to appreciate the value of this type of diversity in nontheistic labels, as interviewer Rachel Silberstein reports in a recent article in The Tablet. "Some call themselves secular humanists, and many call themselves Jews," says Silverman, and according to Silberstien, this is "a term he argues is particularly damaging to the cause. When atheists call themselves Jews, it implies theism, he says, which 'makes atheists look small and negates a learning opportunity.'" Silberstein also mentions that Silverman feels "that only the word 'atheist' accurately conveys the proper meaning" of disbelief.

I spoke to Silverman for this article to make sure I correctly understood his viewpoint. He responded that, "Some fight the battle to get humanism (or some other label) better recognized, but this battle is counterproductive, as there are very few people who know what humanism is -- as opposed to atheism -- and fighting that fight completely distracts from the equality fight, which is far more important. The humanism battle is nuanced; the atheism battle is basic and foundational."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/roy-speckhardt/atheist-humanist-labels_b_4723649.html

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-life-and-religion/154532/david-silverman-atheist/2

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Atheist, Humanist, Secular: Why Fight Over Labels? (Original Post) rug Feb 2014 OP
In what way is a deist a non-theist? LostOne4Ever Feb 2014 #1
Why stir shit on online forums, eh? Fumesucker Feb 2014 #2
I love that song, especially 2:16. rug Feb 2014 #3

LostOne4Ever

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1. In what way is a deist a non-theist?
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 04:34 AM
Feb 2014

Similarly, one can also be non-religious and still be a theist as well.

I guess it should not be surprising that someone who labels their article "Why fight over labels" various groups. .

This article is disappointing to me because it completely glosses over a related issue:Nontheists rejecting the term "atheist" because of the stigma it carries. That would have greatly added to the article.

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