Religion
Related: About this forum"I am an atheist, out and out. It took me a long time to say it."
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)Atheism simply means that one doesn't believe in deities.
And if you insist, it can mean that one actively believes there are no deities.
But it does not mean, and never has meant, that one claims to have proof positive that deities cannot exist. That would require a negative proof, which is just as nonsensical as positively claiming there are deities without any evidence.
I reject the idea of any deity because there is no evidence of that. If three were evidence I would revisit my beliefs.
In my book, Asimov is not just "emotionally" an atheist. He is "actually" an atheist.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)At least that is my interpretation.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Atheism was demonized and stigmatized for so long, it's still ingrained in our culture. "Godless" means evil. And when even non-believers continue to push the meme that an atheist must make positive claims that no gods exist, well, you can see why little changes.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)also known as positive atheists, among other things, that says they are convinced there is no God. Some even say that there can be no God. This is as dishonest as claiming to know the one true God.
It's trivial to compare beliefs about God to beliefs about unicorns, but that doesn't really stand up. Granted no one has seen a unicorn, and we are pretty sure none are out there unseen-- a lot like God.
But, a large part of the confusion is the problem of defining God. None of us has ever seen a god, but we all have our own different ideas about what one would be if we ran into one. Most of them have some sort of almost human form, but the whole point of being a god is to be something not human. Much more than human.
God could be as simple as a mathematical function, or as complex as a higher dimensional being. Or anything else we are not capable of seeing or understanding. That God would not be impossible. No unicorn comparisons there.
I suppose I am an atheist in terms of the Koran or the Bible, but not in the belief systems of Quakers or Unitarians. A lot of us are that way.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)If one embraces that position, then it is possible to understand that every individual that calls themselves a believer may believe in some small aspect of "god" and that allows for tremendous variation in what people do and don't believe.
It's appealing, as it leads to inclusiveness and greater tolerance of all kinds of beliefs.
The unicorn/skydaddy/easter bunny, etc comparisons are lame, stale and not even worth responding to. They are merely attempts to mock and minimize.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)You know full well that the vast majority of Christians, for example, believe in a "skydaddy" god, and that once again you are attempting to minimize as insignificant that which is in fact normal. Given that fundamental to almost all Christian belief systems is the belief in the god status of the person Jesus, dismissing "skydaddy" beliefs is incredibly dishonest.
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)I believe that no deities exist. There has never been any verifiable, reliable evidence supporting any supernatural beings, witchcraft, spirits, or whatever. Everything around us is consistent with a systems of physical laws that says this could all come into play without the hand of a nanny god. There is plenty of reliable evidence for that. Therefore, I believe without any doubts that there are no deities. unless you go back to the origin of the universe itself -- if there even is an origin point. If one wants to call the origin itself a "god", well that is nothing like the nanny god that practically all religions describe. It is so much different, I wouldn't call it a god at all, and nothing needing worship.
But that is completely different from saying that deities could not exist. There is no way to prove such a claim, so I don't claim that.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)well it's just about impossible for anyone to be an atheist then, isn't it?
rug
(82,333 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)it tells man that he is a small trembling animal who will someday decay and die.
Culture changes all of this,makes man seem important,vital to the universe.
immortal in some ways
― Ernest Becker
rug
(82,333 posts)To lie in the soft brown earth, with the grasses waving above one's head, and listen to silence. To have no yesterday, and no to-morrow. To forget time, to forget life, to be at peace. You can help me. You can open for me the portals of death's house, for love is always with you, and love is stronger than death is. - The Canterville Ghost, chapter 5
okasha
(11,573 posts)that she is the bearer and nurturer of life, and that she is intmately connected to the cosmos through her moon cycles.
Maybe man should listen harder.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)You just hope that you do not live to see it.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)I think more and more people are comfortable publicly taking that position.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Continuing to reinforce the stigma around the word "atheist" only divides us.