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Related: About this forumFrench Prime Minister calls for end to ritual religious slaughter of meat
Francois Fillon suggests that Jews and Muslims give up kosher and halal rituals
March 6, 2012 13:35
Michael Goldfarb
This isn't the first time the subject of religious slaughter of food among France's religious minorities has come up. But with a presidential election looming next month it was bound to re-surface.
Last month, Marine Le Pen, candidate of the far-right National Front made ritual slaughter for Halal meat an issue
and it found traction. Now Prime Minister Francois Fillon, a member of President Sarkozy's UMP party, is echoing the call.
Religions should think about keeping traditions that dont have much in common with todays state of science, technology and health problems, Fillon told Europe 1 radio station.
Mohammad Moussaoui, leader of France's Muslim Council, told France 24, a suggestion that packaging of Halal and Kosher meat describing the food as being slaughtered without being stunned, as something that "will stigmatize Muslims and Jews as people who dont respect the interests of animals. That will raise tensions in society.
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatches/globalpost-blogs/europe/french-prime-minister-calls-end-ritual-religious-slaughter-meat
cbayer
(146,218 posts)As the article states, "The French state has a long history of intruding into minority religious practice, going back to the Napoleonic era. In the name of creating a secular public space, Napoleon promulgated laws that forced Jews to give up their traditional dress, shave, and take French names."
And it appears he is pushing this only as a way to appeal to people's bigotry and xenophobia in order to score political points. Shame on him.
laconicsax
(14,860 posts)Sounds like France to me.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)laconicsax
(14,860 posts)LeftishBrit
(41,208 posts)certainly in Europe, and also in America though perhaps the targets are slightly different.
But right at the moment, the French government are being particularly xenophobic, because the ruling party is in a tight election which they'll probably lose to the Socialists, and their only hope lies in luring right-wing voters to vote for them instead of for the LePen family's nutcase party.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,341 posts)I think a government has the right to require stunning of animals before slaughter:
See page 2 of this RSPCA report: http://www.rspca.org.uk/servlet/Satellite?blobcol=urlblob&blobheader=application/pdf&blobkey=id&blobtable=RSPCABlob&blobwhere=1109267162636&ssbinary=true
They can suffer intense pain for up to 2 minutes without stunning before they become insensible through blood loss. The welfare laws apply to general slaughter; 'tradition', religious or otherwise, is no excuse for an exception to allow unnecessary suffering.
LeftishBrit
(41,208 posts)but I am still rather cynical about the reasons why it's being proposed right now, in the run-up to the election, rather than at any previous time.
dmallind
(10,437 posts)Yes it's good that foodchain animals suffer as little as possible, but neither regimen is all that much worse than the electric prods to bolt gun routine method.
no_hypocrisy
(46,150 posts)Silent3
(15,247 posts)The way livestock in captivity is often treated most of their living days is of far more concern to me than the last few seconds of their lives.
Ron Obvious
(6,261 posts)If - and I really do mean if, because I don't know - ritual slaughter increases the suffering of the animals, then this ban should be a no-brainer. There should be no religious exemptions to animal cruelty laws.
Tumbulu
(6,292 posts)the Halal standards (and Kosher too) allow for stunning the animal before bleeding, I was told.
For Halal the animal must be unmutilated (not castrated or dehorned and sheep must have tails) and a prayer is said before it is stunned. At least in the USDA slaughterhouses all animals are stunned before being bled or killed. With certified humane slaughter of pigs the pigs are put to sleep with CO2 before being killed.