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cbayer

(146,218 posts)
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 01:35 AM Jul 2014

After Hobby Lobby, Faith Groups Reject Push To Perpetuate Discrimination Against Gays

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2014/07/03/3456438/religious-exemption-letter-pushback/

BY JACK JENKINS JULY 3, 2014 AT 4:13 PM UPDATED: JULY 3, 2014 AT 11:38 PM



As President Barack Obama gets closer to issuing an executive order protecting the LGBT employees of federal contractors from discrimination, a growing number of progressive faith voices are working to counter conservatives who are pressuring the administration to include special exemptions for religious groups.

Conservative faith groups were quick to voice apprehension over the executive order when it was first announced in June, with several Catholic bishops expressing “great concern” over how it might affect partnerships between the government and faith-based nonprofits. Then on Tuesday, the day after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled to exempt closely-held corporations from the Affordable Care Act’s contraception mandate on religious grounds, a group of 14 prominent faith leaders sent a letter to the President arguing that faith-based nonprofits that use federal funds but who do not embrace homosexuality should be exempt from the order. The letter was somewhat unusual, because while it listed several traditionally conservative voices such as megapastor Rick Warren, it also included the signatures of faith leaders who are fairly close to the administration, such as Michael Wear, former faith outreach director of Obama’s 2012 campaign for president.

“…It still may not be possible for all sides to reach a consensus on every issue,” the letter read. “That is why we are asking that an extension of protection for one group not come at the expense of faith communities whose religious identity and beliefs motivate them to serve those in need.”

But while the letter claimed to represent religious groups who “seek to serve in accordance with their faith and values,” it has triggered outrage among progressive religious groups who feel the signers don’t adequately represent America’s broader religious landscape. Faithful America, a progressive Christian organization, launched an online petition today decrying the letter and asking supporters to sign their name to a statement that read, “There’s nothing Christian about firing someone just because they’re gay or lesbian. Taxpayer dollars shouldn’t fund discrimination.” The petition, which posted late Thursday morning, has already garnered over 11,000 signatures.

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After Hobby Lobby, Faith Groups Reject Push To Perpetuate Discrimination Against Gays (Original Post) cbayer Jul 2014 OP
Obama damned well better not accommodate them. longship Jul 2014 #1
I will be watching as well. I think Obama probably shares our concerns cbayer Jul 2014 #3
More NTS crap skepticscott Jul 2014 #2
That really rattles your narrative, doesn't it. rug Jul 2014 #4
I don't have any difficulty in choosing between Progressive Christianity and Fundamentalist... stone space Jul 2014 #5
You're right skepticscott Jul 2014 #6
Are you calling yourself an "atheist butt" here? stone space Jul 2014 #7
As noted, your comprehension skepticscott Jul 2014 #8
What does the A&A forum have to do with this? stone space Aug 2014 #9
What the fuck is a "fundamentalist atheist"? Act_of_Reparation Aug 2014 #10

longship

(40,416 posts)
1. Obama damned well better not accommodate them.
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 02:22 AM
Jul 2014

Discrimination is inexcusable. Period.

I will be watching this. I am awfully glad that progressive churches are chiming in.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
3. I will be watching as well. I think Obama probably shares our concerns
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 11:07 AM
Jul 2014

about what is happening here. I think he will do whatever he can to stop this.

I would like to see the progressive community, both religious and secular, really get motivated and active here. It's a great opportunity to join forces and take a stand.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
2. More NTS crap
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 11:05 AM
Jul 2014

By "progressive" believers who are certain they have a better handle on what their "god" thinks and wants than the fundies. Here's a news flash for them: They don't. They really, really don't.

They are fundamentally flawed by trying to inject religion into it in the first place. They need no such to derive sound moral principles. They don't need to depend on dictates from their "faith", their "god" or their sacred coffee table book to know and do what's right. They could do it all without that, leaving the poisonous effects of religion where they belong.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
4. That really rattles your narrative, doesn't it.
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 11:10 AM
Jul 2014

One could almost conclude you're rooting for them to fail.

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
5. I don't have any difficulty in choosing between Progressive Christianity and Fundamentalist...
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 12:35 AM
Jul 2014

...Christianity any more than I have difficulty in choosing between Progressive Atheism and Fundamentalist Atheism.

You make it sound like a difficult or impossible decision when it is in reality the easiest thing in the world to decide.

Seriously, it's not that hard. If you are a Progressive, you'll side with the Progressives. If you are a Fundamentalist, you'll side with the Fundamentalists.

What's the difficulty here?

I don't understand.


 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
6. You're right
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 07:45 AM
Jul 2014

You didn't understand my post at all.

All of that atheist-butting must make comprehension difficult.

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
7. Are you calling yourself an "atheist butt" here?
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 12:08 PM
Jul 2014
All of that atheist-butting must make comprehension difficult.
 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
8. As noted, your comprehension
Sun Jul 6, 2014, 08:39 PM
Jul 2014

fails the test. And having seen the kind of shit-stirring behavior that got you banned from A&A within a few days, I have no reason to think you'll be any less Nixonish here.

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
9. What does the A&A forum have to do with this?
Fri Aug 1, 2014, 08:27 PM
Aug 2014
banned from A&A


I don't understand.

This isn't A&A.

Atheists are allowed to post here without toeing any sort of Fundamentalist Party Line, unlike the A&A forum.





Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
10. What the fuck is a "fundamentalist atheist"?
Sat Aug 2, 2014, 02:39 AM
Aug 2014

Is there some ancient tome of atheist dogma of which I am unaware? Or are you channeling Luke Russert?

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