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Scruton's reflections on what it is to be human shed light on the reluctance of some atheists to reject religion's poetry
Mark Vernon
guardian.co.uk
Saturday 17 March 2012 04.00 EDT
In recent weeks, atheists and agnostics who are friendly towards religion have been filling the column inches. Editors, and perhaps readers, are weary of the so-called militant secularism evangelised by you know who. So kindly non-believers have been commissioned. But there is something paradoxical about their appreciation of "God".
I noticed it a while back when I read Mary Warnock's Dishonest to God. She is an atheist who has spent too much time at cathedral evensong. Her moral and aesthetic imagination would collapse without religious culture: "It seems to me that there is no possible argument for holding that religion is outdated, or that it can be wholly replaced in society by science or any other imaginative exercise." This atheist wants belief in "God" to persist, though it can't by her own logic.
The same conundrum is generously explored in Richard Holloway's autobiographical, Leaving Alexandria: A Memoir of Faith and Doubt. It reads like a confession, the former bishop of Edinburgh writing in searingly honest terms about his limitations, failures and regrets. He was never a saint, or cut out to be one, though he knew some in the Gorbals of Glasgow and possibly at Kelham, his now closed theological college. Holloway passionately laments the cruelty of the institution in which he served for so long. He rehearses the troubling arguments on the problem of evil, the unlikelihood of an afterlife and so on.
And yet, his heart is still tugged by the possibility of the transcendent. When he now walks the Pentland hills, which he has known since his youth, he perhaps detects a divine whisper yet. We must keep religion's poetry, he concludes, because it consoles and humanises. We must purge religion of its prose, the dogmatic formulations that do so much damage.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/mar/17/roger-scruton-kindly-atheists?newsfeed=true
eShirl
(18,492 posts)I don't find that any stranger than parents who want their children to experience the "wonder" of believing in Santa Claus.
CrispyQ
(36,464 posts)First went Santa Claus & within seconds, there went the Tooth Fairy & the Easter Bunny. A few weeks after that, sitting in Sunday school class, I started to wonder about God, too.
Today, I find it humorously ironic that the Christians claim a war on Christmas, when it was the whole Santa Claus lie that brought me to a place of questioning in the first place. ~lol.
ps - I don't have kids, but if I had, there would have been no Santa Clause/TF/EB. I remember being pissed off at my mother for a a long time over that whole thing. It wasn't even so much the lie, as it was finding out something so enchanting was a sham. Maybe it's a good life lesson, but at 4-5 years old, when it happened, life lessons didn't mean much.
Silent3
(15,212 posts)...it's hard to see how you go beyond accepting and tolerating their belief in an unbelievable God to actually hoping for that belief, maybe even recommending it. That seems patronizing or condescending to me.
LeftishBrit
(41,205 posts)Many people in this country are 'secular Christians' just as one may be a 'secular Jew'. They identify with many of the cultural aspects of Christian tradition in Britain, but don't particularly believe in the theology. Some are explicitly atheist; some aren't; but there is a longstanding tradition, going back about 300 years, of cultural associations being more important for many people than the theology, one way or the other. This is one of the reasons why it's almost impossible to come up with an accurate assessment of how many people in this country are atheists vs. agnostics vs. Christians, or, for example, how many atheist Prime Ministers we've had.
I might be quite interested to read Holloway's book. I definitely will not read Scruton's; with the single exception of his support for Eastern European dissidents in the 70s and 80s, he is a truly vile individual, who has been championing the cause of conservativism for the last 40 years.