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Related: About this forumFormer President Jimmy Carter On Gay Rights: Jesus Christ Never Discriminated Against Anyone
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/24/jimmy-carter-gay-rights_n_5878250.htmlHuffington Post | By Carol Kuruvilla
Posted: 09/24/2014 6:22 pm EDT Updated: 09/24/2014 6:59 pm EDT
A packed college auditorium roared with applause when former President Jimmy Carter took a stand for gay rights.
When asked about his views on human rights and the LGBT community, Carter schooled the crowd at Michigans Grand Rapids Community College with some of his Christian theology.
I never knew of any word or action of Jesus Christ that discriminated against anyone, Carter said, according to a video from MLive.
The 89-year-old then likened discrimination based on sexual orientation to prejudice against a persons skin color, economic class, and whether theyre living in a foreign country or our country.
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trotsky
(49,533 posts)edhopper
(33,625 posts)he had a folder full of women to choose from.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)Why weren't there any women in the Roman Senate?
A really stupid question.
The living incarnate of the omnipotent God of the Universe, couldn't overcome the prejudices of his times?
rug
(82,333 posts)Have you overcome the prejudices of your time?
edhopper
(33,625 posts)nor am I omnipotent or omnipresent.
But I'd say I have less prejudice than many and I try to see when I do.
But thanks for comparing me to your Lord, I must say I am flattered.
rug
(82,333 posts)You "have less prejudice than many". Ok, I'll take your word for it.
edhopper
(33,625 posts)Than the common man. Guess he wasn't.
rug
(82,333 posts)Guess I was wrong.
I am just taking your answers at face value, how is that prejudice?
DavidDvorkin
(19,489 posts)cbayer
(146,218 posts)DavidDvorkin
(19,489 posts)cbayer
(146,218 posts)His actions with the money changers was a response to their actions, not a prejudice.
If one were to use your definition then you would have to take the position that everyone discriminates because everyone has some behaviors which they disapprove.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)that you don't like.
Technically you might say he was prejudiced against people who interpreted religious texts differently. Religious intolerance.
DavidDvorkin
(19,489 posts)What motivates it is a different issue and doesn't determine whether or not the behavior is discriminatory.
okasha
(11,573 posts)The civil rights workers at Selma were discriminating against the white majority?
Well, well. Learn something new every day.
DavidDvorkin
(19,489 posts)Not all discrimination is a bad thing, as those examples show.
okasha
(11,573 posts)But since "discriminate" is ususlly interpreted as a pejorative, perhaps a better word choice here would be "distinguish among/between. "
DavidDvorkin
(19,489 posts)the pejorative meaning seems to be appropriate. From what I read long ago, what the money changers were doing was perfectly within Jewish law and not offensive. They were performing a needed service. Jesus was violently imposing his own restrictive ideas on them, to the inconvenience of everyone else. Very Talibanish.
okasha
(11,573 posts)They were cheating the public. They were a part of the practice of forcing worshippers to buy sacrificial victims from the "authorized dealerships" in the Temple, rather than bringing their own animals. We'd call them scam artists. Jesus calls them "a den of thieves."
DavidDvorkin
(19,489 posts)The implication, to me, is that he considered them thieves because of what they were legitimately doing, not because they were cheating people:
And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,
And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
okasha
(11,573 posts)Are you assuming that the author of the gospel might not have considered Jesus' action appropriate?
In the gospel of John, Jesus stops the legal execution of a woman "taken in adultery." Was that "Talibanish?"
DavidDvorkin
(19,489 posts)No one today does.
The "Talibanish" comment referred to Jesus imposing his narrow ideas about what was appropriate within the Temple -- a rigid, puritanical morality. The execution story presents a different picture, but it's also a different gospel. The various versions of the myth were not well integrated.
okasha
(11,573 posts)is also narrated in John.
Would it be correct to assume that you have never read the narratives on which you are commenting? That's the only way I can account for your statement that neither you nor anyone else today knows the mindset of the gospel writers.
DavidDvorkin
(19,489 posts)I was not brought up a Christian.
okasha
(11,573 posts)it would become clear from the text that the purpose of the gospels, from the writers' points of view, is to establish that Jesus is the Messiah. This means that his coming inaugurates a new Kingdom of Heaven not subject to the rule of the Roman occupying forces or their collaborators in the Temple hierarchy. The gospels do not present either of those organizations in a favorable light. This makes the clearing of the Temple an act of justice non behalf of the people of Israel.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Because we don't even know who they were. Do you have any evidence at all to the contrary?
cbayer
(146,218 posts)I think that Carter had a different definition in mind as well.
Perhaps it would be best to go with his in this case.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)captfoster5
(13 posts)I sometimes feel like I'm closer to God than most religious folks, especially as it pertains to the average Christian right-winger.
DavidDvorkin
(19,489 posts)I don't understand that.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)understanding the non-existence of that thing. The atheist is closer to a full understanding of god, a oneness with the reality of the god concept, than the theist.
DavidDvorkin
(19,489 posts)I might as well say I'm close to an understanding of Zeus. Or Wippyshaw, a god I just invented.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)They are blinded by their faith and cannot see the emptiness of their belief.
DavidDvorkin
(19,489 posts)brooklynite
(94,745 posts)...if he didn't stand up for the equality of women and he didn't call for an end to slavery, he was being discriminatory.