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AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 05:15 AM Oct 2014

I finally have a use for the First Church of Atheism.

Turns out, in my state, you must be an ordained minister, or circuit judge, etc, to officiate a marriage.

My bro is getting married, and has asked me, and I don't have time to go to law school, and run for a justice position.

So I guess the question is; First Church of Atheism, or Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

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I finally have a use for the First Church of Atheism. (Original Post) AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 OP
It's you brothers wedding. Ask him to decide. littlemissmartypants Oct 2014 #1
Go with the FCA. MADem Oct 2014 #2
Well, the source of ordination never comes up does it? AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #11
I've been at weddings where the "How were you able to do the ceremony?" question comes up, too. MADem Oct 2014 #17
Same here in CA. My niece asked a long time friend to officiate at her wedding. pinto Oct 2014 #18
This is very much the fashion for the marrying generation, I've noticed. MADem Oct 2014 #20
Get ordained on line today safeinOhio Oct 2014 #3
Ordained online! I like it. loudsue Oct 2014 #6
'By the power vested in me by the State of Washington, and the Almighty Internet' AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #9
Here's another one, in Indiana I think... MADem Oct 2014 #21
I can ordain you and send you a certificate from the Hoppy Oct 2014 #4
Flying Spaghetti Monster! marym625 Oct 2014 #5
You could also get your captains licensee and marry them on a boat. cbayer Oct 2014 #7
Common misconception. trotsky Oct 2014 #8
That's actually an urban legend. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #10
I looked it up and see that you are right. cbayer Oct 2014 #12
Could have just been a ceremony for the people present, and the couple did other AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #13
Sounds really cool and funny now but judges and the IRS don't have senses of humor. Leontius Oct 2014 #14
Oh, I'm not going to do anything at all, tax-wise. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #15
I meant making sure the marrige is beyond question valid by doing the civil ceremony as well. Leontius Oct 2014 #16
It would be just as valid as any other marriage performed by any other priest or cleric. cleanhippie Oct 2014 #22
Hope it works out. Best of luck to your brother and his betrothed. pinto Oct 2014 #19
May I say a kind word for Bob Dobbs & the Church of the Subgenius? n/t TygrBright Oct 2014 #23

MADem

(135,425 posts)
2. Go with the FCA.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 05:24 AM
Oct 2014

The Spaghetti Monster is more of a "position" religion--it's all about the person who belongs to it, it serves as a platform for a point of view.

Your purpose in obtaining this ordination is to help your brother, not tout a position or make a statement. It's your brother's day, not yours. That's why I'd go with the FCA--it's just a simple statement, without any snark about belief systems attached.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
11. Well, the source of ordination never comes up does it?
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 10:37 AM
Oct 2014

I've never heard anyone officiating a wedding say anything about that, but I suppose it might show up on the marriage certificate. I'll ask him. He's not quite as big an atheist as I am, and sure, I don't want to use his wedding as a vehicle for my beliefs. That's a good point.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
17. I've been at weddings where the "How were you able to do the ceremony?" question comes up, too.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 01:49 PM
Oct 2014

In fact, I was at one quite recently--and the bride and groom were atheists. Some of the guests were Catholic, most lapsed, there were also a few other assorted Xtians, a cadre of Jews, a few Buddhists, a gathering of UUs, and the odd Muslims here and there. And there were also atheists in attendance as well.

Oddly enough (and totally unrelated to this discussion but interesting), they put the word "sacred" in their vows. Three times! I wasn't sure if that was a new use of the term, something personal with them, a sop-nod to one set of parents, or what. It was deliberately interjected, though!

We don't have that problem with ordination being a requirement here in MA (anyone can get a one-day pass, in essence), but someone always asks about the process when it's family or friend officiating (I have a large family-huge and racially/ethnically/religiously diverse--and even in this non-wedding era, I go to a LOT of weddings). It was a friend of the couple that did the honors, and she got quite a lot of questions afterwards. She did a great job as the officiant, as well--she kept the focus on the couple, was articulate, kept the ceremony moving along, etc. She got a lot of props after-the-fact (be warned, it will be a topic of conversation when someone you don't know ambles up to you at the reception); some people who didn't realize the relationship thought she was a Justice of the Peace, she was so professional in her management of the ceremony.

Best of luck to you--it's quite an honor to be asked to do that!

pinto

(106,886 posts)
18. Same here in CA. My niece asked a long time friend to officiate at her wedding.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 02:25 PM
Oct 2014

The friend flew in from TX, obtained a one day license and performed the ceremony beautifully.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
20. This is very much the fashion for the marrying generation, I've noticed.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 02:44 PM
Oct 2014

Of the last half dozen weddings I have attended, all were officiated by a friend/close relative of the bride and/or groom, and only two of those weddings were officiated by a religious officiant (who was the same person at both weddings--a relative of the groom(s), in fact).

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
4. I can ordain you and send you a certificate from the
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 07:26 AM
Oct 2014

Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

IF you accept the premise that Cappolini is better than Fettuccini and that Franco American is better than Chef Boy-ar-dee, I can ordain you.

Send $1.00 for postage for the Certification of Plateful Ordination and it is yours.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
5. Flying Spaghetti Monster!
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 07:43 AM
Oct 2014

How fun for you to say and story to tell their kids. Atheist would be just a little interesting

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
7. You could also get your captains licensee and marry them on a boat.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 08:43 AM
Oct 2014

Unlike your other two options, the captains licensee could prove beneficial in the future.

Congratulations to your brother and his bride.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
8. Common misconception.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 09:41 AM
Oct 2014
http://mentalfloss.com/article/23165/can-boat-captains-really-marry-people

While a good sailor knows that the captain is the ultimate authority on a ship, his or her power extends only so far. At one point, the United States Navy explicitly stated, "The commanding officer shall not perform a marriage ceremony on board his ship or aircraft."

What about non-Navy captains, though? Well that depends on the captain. They can't perform marriages at sea (or on dry land) by virtue of their maritime license alone, and no state has enacted a statute explicitly authorizing ships' captains to officiate marriages.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
12. I looked it up and see that you are right.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 11:27 AM
Oct 2014

A friend married a couple last year and I thought it was because he had his captain's license, but he may have also had some mail order license.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
13. Could have just been a ceremony for the people present, and the couple did other
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 11:31 AM
Oct 2014

legally binding steps later. That happens sometimes.

 

Leontius

(2,270 posts)
14. Sounds really cool and funny now but judges and the IRS don't have senses of humor.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 11:43 AM
Oct 2014

Do the civil thing and then have fun.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
15. Oh, I'm not going to do anything at all, tax-wise.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:06 PM
Oct 2014

Just want my signature to be valid on the marriage certificate.

 

Leontius

(2,270 posts)
16. I meant making sure the marrige is beyond question valid by doing the civil ceremony as well.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:14 PM
Oct 2014

You know crossing the T's dotting the I's.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
22. It would be just as valid as any other marriage performed by any other priest or cleric.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 04:03 PM
Oct 2014

There would be no need to ensure T's or I's are crossed and dotted any more than one would normally do.

pinto

(106,886 posts)
19. Hope it works out. Best of luck to your brother and his betrothed.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 02:30 PM
Oct 2014

(Now there's a word I pulled out from some dusty corner of my brain...) Have fun, in any event.

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