Not me, that's for sure.


The Pope has the opportunity to change all this, but I wouldn't put any money on it.

Hypocrites.


Tikki

Ex-husband PAID for an annulment AFTER we divorced.

What total bullshit!

Thanks for making that point.

Or, in the OT, between a man and several women.

marriage out side of the CC nor between divorced people anyway, as if anyone ever cared about that either.

No problem. Pedophilia is between and adult and a child. No compromising on "principle", as long as its hush-hush.

The church will continue to lose members or not get lapsed members back. They are stuck in dogma that was never articulated by Jesus of Nazareth.....

Thinks it thinks it should still be relevant and can take stands on moral issues.

TlalocW

for it to be legal. So any marriage has to be blessed by the civil authority.

nt

Anyway, we all know you'll come around to the right way of thinking in about five or six hundred years.

'Til then, :middlefinger:

No one NEEDS the RCC to get married, leave the church to the bigots who agree with its policy.

the RCC is finally dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century, there will no doubt be members of certain clans posting articles like "Catholic Church Leads Fight for Same-Sex Marriage Rights"

Because a certain group(s) keep plying legislators and campaign efforts with millions of dollars, in opposition to the state recognizing it.

Like any group's political views.

What does work, is getting them to abandon the bullshit dogma they are trying to implement in law.

First of all, nobody will take you seriously. You'll become a cartoon crawling out from under a hotel bed surreptitiously removing a Gideon Bible.

Second of all, by seeing the source of political inequality and oppression as ideas rather than actions, you are mounting an attack on free speech and free thought itself. That tactic appeals only to fascists.

To coin a phrase, the answer to bad sppech is more speech.

The USCCB is losing politically across the board on sexual issues. That is good and will certainly continue. It's a winning strategy. It's also the end of the political debate. However, that same principle of free speech and free thought allows you to pursue your anti-religious agenda on the internet. Oh, wait . . . .

"you are mounting an attack on free speech and free thought itself"

That is, in the manner you put it, technically true when my ideas conflict with ANYONE else's, and we negotiate/debate/etc. Which is patently absurd. An attack (especially in the realm of fascism) would be to do something to prevent them from speaking, not to debate/reason/encourage some other faith/nonfaith. Somehow I suspect you don't consider it fascism for members of your church to attempt to proselytize or convert others.

"To coin a phrase, the answer to bad sppech is more speech."

I agree. Encouraging someone to abandon one shitty, sexist, homophobic church, for another that is in alignment with that individuals' values, is also speech and nothing more. I said nothing about force or coercion. (Well, no coercion beyond 'your shitty church is sexist, homophobic, and more')

"The USCCB is losing politically across the board on sexual issues."

There's a lot more issues than that, that warrant stiff opposition.

But I find that when people encourage people to change their religious beliefs it's simply another form of proselytizing. Particularly when it's cloaked in an air of superiority. It's worse when it's unwarranted superiority.

Kinda hard to classify it as 'superiority' when I am not necessarily directing them to my camp.

There's any number of substitute religious faiths out there that I still think are wasting their time, but they deliver whatever that need for religion some people seem to have, while also not completely fucking up society with the various negative attributes I listed earlier.

Grappling with issues and ideas, without bullshit seeping in, is exceedingly difficult. Especially for me.

...as long as they shut up and get the fuck out of the way where civil marriages are concerned.

until it does. Sort of like our President and millions of others.

God will evolve on this issue eventually.

He's ONLY a Cardinal, and isn't REALLY speaking for the rest of the Catholic church. He's an outlier; a one-off; an anomaly. See, the rest of the Catholic church chain of command is all unicorns and puppy farts, and how DARE you question its stance on gay marriage!

{dear jurors: other than the puppy farts, this entire post is sarcasm}

A particularly brittle straw man. Good tinder for flames.

I find it interesting that you find it difficult to mouth your own thoughts. I suppose if you build a straw man to attack, it's less threatening.

someone just has to start another church with the same beliefs except this one and that's that, Isn't that what all these protestant churches did?

And I couldn't care less what they do or do not bless.

they will continue to oppose and demonize the legitimization and legalization of same-sex marriage, even for people who are not Catholics.

So yes, I'll continue to care what position the RCC takes on this, unless the day comes (not in my lifetime, certainly), when they stop trying to impose their bigotry on everyone else, and until so-called "progressives" on this site and elsewhere stop defending their despicable homophobia.