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rug

(82,333 posts)
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 11:01 AM Oct 2014

Atheist Richard Dawkins Tweets: ‘Malala Is Religious Now But Give Her Time’



Posted: October 12, 2014

Richard Dawkins, evolutionary biologist and outspoken atheist, congratulated Malala Yousafzai for her recent Nobel win, tweeting that the Nobel Prize Committee “got it right” with their decision to award the 17-year-old laureate with the most-coveted honor of the year. However, Dawkins didn’t evade the usual controversy associated with his stark critique of religion, especially after he followed up his congratulatory tweet with an atheism-related post that sparked controversy among fans and critics of his work.

The tweet was inevitably met with backlash, and even fans of the God Delusion writer pointed out what they perceived were flaws in Dawkins’ statement.

Although Richard Dawkins’ contributions to biology have been positively received by people from his field, his views on atheism and religion have always been controversial. Earlier this year, Dawkins criticized fairy tales, allegedly claiming that they were harmful to kids.

Is it a good thing to go along with the fantasies of childhood, magical as they are? Or should we be fostering a spirit of skepticism? I think it’s rather pernicious to inculcate into a child a view of the world which includes supernaturalism – we get enough of that anyway. Even fairy tales, the ones we all love, with wizards or princesses turning into frogs or whatever it was. There’s a very interesting reason why a prince could not turn into a frog – it’s statistically too improbable.”


http://www.inquisitr.com/1536943/atheist-richard-dawkins-tweets-malala-is-religious-now-but-give-her-time/
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Atheist Richard Dawkins Tweets: ‘Malala Is Religious Now But Give Her Time’ (Original Post) rug Oct 2014 OP
Is using the title 'Atheist' really necessary in all of your posts? truebrit71 Oct 2014 #1
That's the headline. rug Oct 2014 #6
See post #2 cleanhippie Oct 2014 #8
He's just an attention whore. - n/t Jim__ Oct 2014 #2
For some reason, his attention whorishness is enabled right here at DU. djean111 Oct 2014 #5
Richard Dawkins isn't a nice human being yet CAG Oct 2014 #3
Zing shenmue Oct 2014 #15
Bravo! okasha Oct 2014 #17
I would love to see that happen but he is blinded by his own light, I am afraid. cbayer Oct 2014 #19
oh, snap! BuddhaGirl Oct 2014 #29
Who cares what Dawkins tweets? djean111 Oct 2014 #4
Not exactly true shenmue Oct 2014 #10
And even worse, those outside of organized atheism often see him as a spokesperson. cbayer Oct 2014 #11
Speaking for myself only, the concept of "atheist community" seems as pointless as djean111 Oct 2014 #12
You share that with many other people, and I would cbayer Oct 2014 #13
Somebody needs to take his smartphone away. cbayer Oct 2014 #7
Dawkins has become increasingly tiresome. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2014 #9
she's a Trot and a pacifist MisterP Oct 2014 #14
Odd how people who are raised Muslim societies want to be Muslim Fumesucker Oct 2014 #16
I bet your nephew is a hoot. cbayer Oct 2014 #20
I'll bet the reactions to him are a hoot. okasha Oct 2014 #21
He's a little shy to do it out in front of strangers but he's very funny in small groups he knows Fumesucker Oct 2014 #22
He is hilarious. I've never see him before. cbayer Oct 2014 #23
If her horrific experience.didn't shake her faith, okasha Oct 2014 #18
Agree. She is unlikely to give this a second thought. cbayer Oct 2014 #25
Dawkins who? okasha Oct 2014 #27
That tweet made me chuckle edhopper Oct 2014 #24
What did you find amusing about it? cbayer Oct 2014 #26
Of course you did edhopper Oct 2014 #30
I'm sorry, I still don't get it. cbayer Oct 2014 #31
Keep those tweets coming Dick! goldent Oct 2014 #28
 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
1. Is using the title 'Atheist' really necessary in all of your posts?
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 11:08 AM
Oct 2014

I'm pretty sure most folks that come to this section of DU know who Dawkins is, and which side of the logic fence he's on...

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
4. Who cares what Dawkins tweets?
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 11:10 AM
Oct 2014

I am an atheist, and no one represents me, which is exactly how I want things to be.
Dragging Dawkins out every time he says something stupid is like dragging out everything Creflo Dollar says. Except, of course, atheists have no "leaders" or pastors or any of that other stuff.

shenmue

(38,506 posts)
10. Not exactly true
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 11:28 AM
Oct 2014

You may have no leaders, but plenty of other atheists look up to this guy and tout him as some kind of new model atheist. He may be a good biologist, but he just doesn't seem to have a handle on this 'dealing with people' thing.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
11. And even worse, those outside of organized atheism often see him as a spokesperson.
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 11:32 AM
Oct 2014

While I don't think he speaks for atheists at all, I see it as a bad thing that others think he does.

And he doesn't seem to be getting the message at all, even though it is becoming increasingly loud and strident from within the atheist community.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
12. Speaking for myself only, the concept of "atheist community" seems as pointless as
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:10 PM
Oct 2014

"brown-eyed community" - except that lumping atheists into a "community" makes it easier to marginalize or demonize them.
I didn't really get the need for the lists of atheists movie stars or famous people or whatever. Who, seriously, cares?
Not being sarcastic, just mystified at the need to identify atheists. I don't care or need to know who is a theist, unless they want to inflict some theist stuff onto me. Never occurs to me to ask about that sort of thing, really.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
13. You share that with many other people, and I would
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:30 PM
Oct 2014

note that there is also a growing number of "spiritual but not religious" people who also reject the idea of a community.

You may not be a member, but many atheists are lumping themselves into communities and I think their purpose is exactly the opposite of what you describe. I think they are doing it because it is empowering and gives them louder voice.

I posted the list of famous atheists because I think there will be less marginalization and demonization as people begin to recognize that some that they respect and even adore are nonbelievers. It worked in the GLBT civil rights movement and I think it can work here.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
7. Somebody needs to take his smartphone away.
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 11:16 AM
Oct 2014

How dare he. Once again, he makes it all about him and in the most condescending, demeaning way possible. One can almost envision him patting her on the head.

Her bravery vs. his cowardice - stunning.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
14. she's a Trot and a pacifist
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 01:43 PM
Oct 2014

but recall that it's deathly dangerous to his theses to have examples of non-Taliban Muslims running about (heck, even demanding that Islam "reform" is begging the question, since there's numerous non-fundamentalist or -conservative strands of thought that have existed for centuries)

his problem is that he can never understand why anybody could *want* to be a Muslim, nor is he interested in finding out

she's doubtless heard she's "too young to know what Islam's about" too often for this to have effect on her (except maybe for some flashbacks to the bus)

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
16. Odd how people who are raised Muslim societies want to be Muslim
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 02:43 PM
Oct 2014

Take the same person and raise them in a Christian society and they'll want to be Christian more than likely.

A nephew of mine is an Iranian redneck Southern Baptist of all things, with a little polishing he could go on the comedy club tour since he's got some really funny stories about people's reactions when they see him and when he opens his mouth in a South Georgia drawl and starts witnessing Jesus to them.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
22. He's a little shy to do it out in front of strangers but he's very funny in small groups he knows
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 06:01 PM
Oct 2014

He comes across sort of like Henry Cho..

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
23. He is hilarious. I've never see him before.
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 06:08 PM
Oct 2014

I'm a big fan of stand up and have the utmost admiration for the brave individuals that do it.

The whole southern accent coming from a non-caucasian is comedy gold right there.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
18. If her horrific experience.didn't shake her faith,
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 04:44 PM
Oct 2014

Dawkins isn't likely to. That's a marvelous pictorial comment up top. Past and future, a waning colonial patriarchy v. equality for all, including young women with dark skin.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
25. Agree. She is unlikely to give this a second thought.
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 06:09 PM
Oct 2014

If she is aware of him at all, he is probably a very weak spot on her radar.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
27. Dawkins who?
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 06:42 PM
Oct 2014

He's probably not terribly high on her priorities list.

It may just be bad photography, lighted head-on and shot a bit low, but Dickie Darling is beginning to look a bit pixilated.

edhopper

(33,580 posts)
24. That tweet made me chuckle
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 06:08 PM
Oct 2014

the subtext that more educated populations are less religious is ironic.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
26. What did you find amusing about it?
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 06:20 PM
Oct 2014

I thought it was kind of amusing that Dawkins was so condescending towards an incredibly brave young woman who just won the Nobel Peace Prize and was able to denigrate both her religion and her presumed lack of education at the same time.

Nobody does it better.

edhopper

(33,580 posts)
30. Of course you did
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 07:57 PM
Oct 2014

I explained what I thought amusing.
I don't think he was denigrating, since he has been an active supporter of hers.
It is a bit off color for sure, I still found it humorous.
Probably reflects badly on me.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
31. I'm sorry, I still don't get it.
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 09:11 PM
Oct 2014

You thought it was amusing that he said she wasn't educated enough and would drop her religion when that happened?

Whether he has been a supporter or not, his take on this is condescending and denigrating. She won the Peace Prize, but he still takes the superior, patriarchal position that she is just a little girl who will grow out of her religious beliefs.

Makes me nauseous.

Frankly, your support of this just comes across to me as a knee jerk reaction, so it doesn't really reflect that badly on you personally.

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