...the Dupe of URL.

Dupes happen all the time here.

Warren is on ignore so she didn't see that.

You have me on ignore so you won't see this.

Just another day in the Religion Group.

you have ears and do not hear

you have eyes and do not see

..seems appropriate

Here's another link to the story.

Vatican synod: Victory for Pope Francis on gay issues
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29607356


This is a pretty big deal, given the history of that institution. It may not be a seismic shift, but it's definitely 'on a roll.'

"On a roll" to what? Nothing has changed with church policy or teachings. Homosexuality is still officially "intrinsically disordered." How can that be taught and yet still show respect toward homosexuals?

Nothing has changed. They are still following the "Love the sinner, hate the sin" bullshit, only trying to emphasize the first part more. But the hatred of homosexual love continues.

option.

Clearly, if posters are going to block and ignore one another, there will be a need for more than one thread on this topic. Sorry that you don't like it, but ... oh, well. You can keep yelling all you want, you're not going to get your way on this 'un.

And sorry that you can't see that the path to change begins with efforts such as this. Words are followed by deeds. Deeds produce understanding, understanding produces change.

Years ago, you'd get shot (figuratively) for eating a hot dog on Friday. With or without mustard. On, or off, a roll.

Read your Confucius about a journey of a thousand miles. And have a wonderful day! Not in the mood to fight with you--go pick on someone else!

You don't need to make it personal. Knock it off with the "sorry you don't like it" passive-aggressive shit, ok? I put the link in, in case someone else wanted to see there was another thread on the same story. That's it and nothing more.

And no, I don't see how the path to change begins with NOTHING CHANGING. When the deeds start happening, I'll get excited. Until then this is empty rhetoric, damage control, a PR move and nothing more. The church still officially teaches that homosexuality is "intrinsically disordered." I have a big problem with that.

for doing something that isn't prohibited in this group. For someone so concerned about "passive agressive shit" you went out of your way to employ some of that "shit" with your opening salvo.

All I did was offer you a solution to your woe--you can get rid of one of the threads, so you don't see a duplicate (which apparently distresses you) by using that HIDE THREAD option.

Instead, you continue to berate me when we have a difference of opinion that will not be resolved. I don't do "All or Nothing" scenarios. They don't exist in my world.

I see a glass that is half full, you don't. That's the bottom line, here. You want to fight about something that will not be resolved between us, and I don't.

And it's not even my club, so...whatever.

By posting the word "Dupe" and including a link to another thread?

LOL, whatever. I see what your goal is here. I'm done, not going to empower this bullshit.

The Catholic church is still teaching that there is something wrong with homosexuality. I'm not OK with that. End of story.

I've heard rumors but I was never told by cbayer herself I was being placed on ignore.

And I give them the reason(s) why. I have also seen posts from cbayer admitting she has taken people off her ignore list from time to time. So I have no freaking clue what my status is at any given time.

Someone once said in this very group: "I don't give a shit whether you put me back on ignore or not. That's entirely up to you and won't alter a thing about how I do or do not respond to you."

Works for me. If you have a problem with that approach, take it up with the person who said it.

And how clever of you to quote her talking to someone OTHER than you.

Surely, since you are so great at finding a post you feel is "incriminating" in some fashion, you can also find the post where she told you were on her ignore list.

In any event, the more you kick her thread, the more it'll hit the Front Page MILESTONES and be seen by even more people.

Bottom line--your views on duplicate threads are "noted." They aren't, plainly, holding sway. And you're helping that process along...!

And how that might be the case for a lot of the atheists you have a problem with?

trotsky posted the word "Dupe" and a link to the other thread. That's it. Nothing more. And you classify that as "chastising the thread starter." Are you serious? You are blowing that out of proportion. Just take a step back and admit it.

As to whether this is actual change: the article in the OP makes it clear that it isn't. It's the same old. No policy has changed. None. And you still have lead cardinals coming out saying gay marriage is horrible and will never be recognized. Meet the new boss; same as the old boss. And in case you aren't a Who fan, the next line is "won't get fooled again."

Everyone knows trotsky would never chastise anyone. Especially someone he'd heard whispers about having him on ignore. Makes one wonder about those who pray and expect an answer.

Reply How am I supposed to know? trotsky 8:25 AM Religion
Reply You should really stop with that kind of shit, cbayer. trotsky Yesterday Religion
Reply No one said that, cbayer. trotsky Yesterday Religion
Reply No surprise. trotsky Yesterday Religion
Reply Oh I see. trotsky Friday Religion
Reply Why can't it be? trotsky Friday Religion
Reply What denomination were you raised in, cbayer? n/t trotsky Sep 23 Religion
Reply You mean kinda like you do with okasha? trotsky Sep 19 Religion
Reply Quit dragging your personal fights into this group, cbayer. n/t trotsky Sep 8 Religion
Reply I really don't understand how politics works in cbayer's perfect world. trotsky Sep 8 Religion
Reply I have an issue with liberals who oppose reproductive choice. trotsky Sep 5 Religion
Reply Please cbayer, for the love of Koresh, start heeding your own words. trotsky Sep 4 Religion
Reply Once again cbayer, there's a huge flaw in your logic. trotsky Sep 3 Religion
Reply okasha's lack of civility was one of the major reasons she isn't a host of this group today. trotsky Sep 2 Religion
Reply What straw man are you attacking now, cbayer? trotsky Aug 29 Religion
Reply Really, cbayer? trotsky Aug 29 Religion
Reply When cbayer declares something can be discussed, then it can be discussed. trotsky Aug 29 Religion
Reply Go back to what cbayer said. It's a direct negation of her claim. trotsky Aug 22 Religion
Reply Seems like a cheap shot, cbayer. trotsky Aug 22 Religion
Reply Well, cbayer's answer to that seems to be that... trotsky Aug 20 Religion
Reply "Sorry that you are not." trotsky Aug 20 Religion
Reply The point is, cbayer, those quotes exist. trotsky Aug 20 Religion
Reply No one knows who alerted on you. trotsky Aug 20 Religion
Reply Similar question to you, cbayer. trotsky Aug 19 Religion
Reply Let's start by agreeing that accusing others of supporting or proposing genocide is unacceptable. trotsky Aug 15 Religion
Reply Ask cbayer - she's the decider. n/t trotsky Aug 14 Religion
Reply No, cbayer, none of us evil atheists are aware of that. trotsky Aug 12 Religion
Reply "So while we clearly have a whiner"??? trotsky Aug 12 Religion
Reply The real problem is why religion is powerful enough to be used as a weapon, cbayer. trotsky Jul 31 Religion
Reply FFS, cbayer!!! trotsky Jul 30 Religion
Reply The reason why this is such an important concept, cbayer, as many people keep trying to point out... trotsky Jul 30 Religion
Reply The fuss is about the hatred and stigma attached to the word "atheist," cbayer. trotsky Jul 30 Religion
Reply Well, thanks for the flamebait, cbayer. trotsky Jul 30 Religion
Reply cbayer, this is really dishonest. trotsky Jul 28 Religion
Reply And if it can be examined, then it ceases to be supernatural... trotsky Jul 27 Religion
Reply Make sure to keep labeling those you don't like as "the other," cbayer. trotsky Jul 24 Religion
Reply Right. We should probably assume he's an atheist until proven otherwise. trotsky Jul 23 Religion
Reply "Does someone need a nap?" trotsky Jul 22 Religion
Reply Actually, cbayer, you yourself made the argument that an act of mutilation... trotsky Jul 21 Religion
Reply Just as we Democrats also try to convert. trotsky Jul 21 Religion
Reply Oh yes, extremism is extremism, cbayer. trotsky Jul 18 Religion
Reply "psychotic person who had a religious delusion and must, therefore, represent all of religion" trotsky Jul 2014 Religion
Reply It's also clear what he meant about being an atheist. trotsky Jul 2014 Religion
Reply "They do leave that little crack in the door, though." trotsky Jul 2014 Religion
Reply "I know that it pisses some people off, but that doesn't invalidate it." trotsky Jul 2014 Religion
Reply Your "both sides are the same" shtick has worn so thin, cbayer, it's like wet tissue paper. trotsky Jul 2014 Religion
Reply Why do you persist with that horrible straw man, cbayer? trotsky Jun 2014 Religion
Reply Considering how many people you've played it on, cbayer, trotsky Jun 2014 Religion
Reply Exactly. trotsky Jun 2014 Religion
Reply But cbayer, why the need to praise and single out belief or even non-belief when it comes to... trotsky Jun 2014 Religion
Reply Sure context counts. trotsky Jun 2014 Religion
Reply What exactly do you want, cbayer? trotsky Jun 2014 Religion
Reply cbayer, you do realize that contentious discussions can be held in this group... trotsky Jun 2014 Religion
Reply If stamp collectors made a point of having buildings erected specifically to congregate... trotsky Jun 2014 Religion
Reply "will not be forgiven" - What do you suppose that means for us atheists, cbayer? n/t trotsky Jun 2014 Religion
Reply cbayer, YOU are the one so intent on creating teams. trotsky Jun 2014 Religion
Reply cbayer, if you haven't noticed, this is the Religion group. trotsky Jun 2014 Religion
Reply Try not to take it personally. trotsky Jun 2014 Religion
Reply Yeah, for someone who spends an awfully lot of time chiding others... trotsky Jun 2014 Religion
Reply The thing is, cbayer, it's not binary like you seem to think it is. trotsky Jun 2014 Religion
Reply To say you've never seen that is a little hard to believe, cbayer. trotsky Jun 2014 Religion
Reply It is very nice to see some even-handedness from you, cbayer. trotsky May 2014 Religion
Reply Hmm trotsky May 2014 Religion
Reply You are correct, cbayer. trotsky May 2014 Religion
Reply I don't think misrepresenting a group of people like you do helps at all, trotsky May 2014 Religion
Reply No, cbayer, you don't. trotsky May 2014 Religion
Reply People like that really do exist, cbayer. trotsky May 2014 Religion
Reply Flinging rude, false accusations does indeed touch a nerve in most people, cbayer. trotsky May 2014 Religion
Reply "not about religion at all" trotsky May 2014 Religion
Reply Why can't it be both? trotsky May 2014 Religion
Reply I dunno man, I have done a few quick searches on there... trotsky May 2014 Religion
Reply And by continually making comments like that, trotsky May 2014 Religion
Reply It's a completely stupid comparison, cbayer. trotsky May 2014 Religion
Reply cbayer, you routinely chastise others for making things into competitions... trotsky May 2014 Religion
Reply As is your "belief" that religion does more good than harm. trotsky May 2014 Religion
Reply Put your own house in order before you start lecturing others, cbayer. trotsky Apr 2014 Religion
Reply "I've also had times when I wished I was more mediocre" trotsky Apr 2014 Religion
Reply Looks like that post went over your head. trotsky Apr 2014 Religion
Reply Er, did you? trotsky Apr 2014 Religion
Reply I think it's a silly request. trotsky Apr 2014 Religion
Reply "Young-earth creationism, a tiny fringe movement within Christianity" trotsky Apr 2014 Religion
Reply Wow, that's a lot of malarkey to concentrate in one post. trotsky Apr 2014 Religion
Reply You are the one who brought up the topic of "hatred" of cbayer and her father. trotsky Apr 2014 Religion
Reply It would be beneficial to tell the entire story concerning cbayer's father... trotsky Apr 2014 Religion
Reply Quite honestly, it's to be expected. trotsky Apr 2014 Religion
Reply No, it's about the inconsistency. trotsky Apr 2014 Religion
Reply Of course some might say that poring over someone's recent posting history... trotsky Mar 2014 Religion
Reply You have posted your opinion. Thanks. trotsky Mar 2014 Religion
Reply Yup, I'm with you. trotsky Mar 2014 Religion
Reply That's rather judgmental of you, cbayer. trotsky Mar 2014 Religion
Reply Should be very interesting to see some of the responses here. trotsky Mar 2014 Religion
Reply Well yeah, he kinda did. trotsky Mar 2014 Religion
Reply Actually, cbayer... trotsky Mar 2014 Religion
Reply Many secular groups have been doing the same thing. trotsky Mar 2014 Religion
Reply Honestly, cbayer, that is a big load of malarkey. trotsky Mar 2014 Religion
Reply The most important takeaway, cbayer, is what we should do when they conflict. trotsky Mar 2014 Religion
Reply I am disappointed that you continue to hurl outrageous charges like that at others, cbayer. trotsky Mar 2014 Religion
Reply I hope one day you feel comfortable joining us, cbayer. trotsky Mar 2014 Religion
Reply Congratulations. trotsky Mar 2014 Religion
Reply You're not an atheist, because you've said that label doesn't apply to you. trotsky Mar 2014 Religion
Reply The museum's mission statement: trotsky Mar 2014 Religion
Reply The thing is, cbayer, few of them even understand it's bigotry. trotsky Mar 2014 Religion
Reply Consistency has never been her strong suit. trotsky Mar 2014 Religion
Reply Oh, of course, that's EXACTLY what others are saying. trotsky Mar 2014 Religion
Reply Well cbayer is obviously a fan, AND she's a fan of anyone who sticks it to the... trotsky Mar 2014 Religion
Reply Score one for cbayer and her team! trotsky Mar 2014 Religion
Reply Because they are doing it according to their religious beliefs. trotsky Feb 2014 Religion
Reply Time to bring this out again. trotsky Feb 2014 Religion
Reply Okey doke. trotsky Feb 2014 Religion
Reply I would note that from the excerpt it does not appear the senators are actually backtracking at all. trotsky Feb 2014 Religion
Reply Nice insults, cbayer. trotsky Feb 2014 Religion
Reply When people like cbayer put forth their agenda, it is important to note that... trotsky Feb 2014 Religion
Reply Well, I guess the important thing is that you get to scold MD... trotsky Feb 2014 Religion
Reply You can't force your definitions on anyone, cbayer. trotsky Feb 2014 Religion
Reply Hitchens did not have that inability, cbayer. trotsky Feb 2014 Religion
Reply Every Christian takes at least part of the bible literally, cbayer. trotsky Feb 2014 Religion
Reply Welcome to the atheist community, cbayer. n/t trotsky Feb 2014 Religion
Reply So cbayer, what do you think would be a good compromise in this situation? trotsky Feb 2014 Religion
Reply How do you define knowledge, cbayer? trotsky Feb 2014 Religion
Reply There was no distortion of what you said, cbayer. trotsky Feb 2014 Religion
Reply Didn't think you meant me. Was wondering if anyone had called for it at all. trotsky Feb 2014 Religion
Reply You do realize, cbayer, that religious bigots don't believe they are engaging in... trotsky Feb 2014 Religion
Reply Perhaps your quest is just as doomed, cbayer. trotsky Feb 2014 Religion
Reply Yet you kicked off the aggression and accusatory words. trotsky Feb 2014 Religion
Reply Some incredible generalization and broad-brushing there, cbayer. trotsky Feb 2014 Religion
Reply Try the very low end of that range, cbayer. trotsky Feb 2014 Religion
Reply That is indeed a strange result for an atheist, cbayer. n/t trotsky Feb 2014 Religion
Reply There you go again. trotsky Feb 2014 Religion
Reply But that is not what cbayer is saying. trotsky Feb 2014 Religion
Reply Why do you perpetuate and reinforce such tired stereotypes, cbayer? trotsky Feb 2014 Religion
Reply How closed is your mind to Republican ideas, cbayer? trotsky Feb 2014 Religion
Reply I appreciate you posting nice things about atheism, cbayer. trotsky Feb 2014 Religion
Reply That's actually a quite common sentiment. trotsky Feb 2014 Religion
Reply One thing we definitely don't see is these folks going "further into their caves." trotsky Feb 2014 Religion
Reply I guess I really don't understand your selective hypocrisy on this, cbayer. trotsky Feb 2014 Religion
Reply And you know what, cbayer? trotsky Feb 2014 Religion
Reply OK, you realize that's not the same as what was said in the OP or claimed by cbayer, right? n/t trotsky Jan 2014 Religion
Reply Perhaps you would be willing to provide more details? trotsky Jan 2014 Religion
Reply No, apparently this crusade means far more to you, cbayer. trotsky Jan 2014 Religion
Reply But you're the one telling others that your definitions can't be challenged, cbayer. trotsky Jan 2014 Religion
Reply "Atheism indicates a disbelief or denial." trotsky Jan 2014 Religion
Reply Please stop trying to tell me, an atheist, what I think. trotsky Jan 2014 Religion
Reply Ah, you mean like you use the label "anti-theist" to marginalize others and suit your agenda! trotsky Jan 2014 Religion
Reply You don't get to define atheism, cbayer. trotsky Jan 2014 Religion
Reply Why do you get to laugh at someone else's beliefs, cbayer? n/t trotsky Jan 2014 Religion
Reply There are literally millions of Americans, cbayer... trotsky Jan 2014 Religion
Reply Nope, I guess a full one third of the US population is mentally ill. trotsky Jan 2014 Religion
Reply Your own husband called it "religious nuttery," cbayer. trotsky Jan 2014 Religion
Reply This is why, cbayer, when you make your comments about "teams" and "points"... trotsky Jan 2014 Religion
Reply Very true, cbayer. trotsky Jan 2014 Religion
Reply Yeah, I don't get the points thing either. trotsky Jan 2014 Religion
Reply Their reasons were good, but their actions were illegal. trotsky Jan 2014 Religion
Reply What is your obsession with "points," cbayer? trotsky Jan 2014 Religion
Reply Think about that one a little bit more, okasha. trotsky Jan 2014 Religion
Reply Just because you have your own interpretation doesn't make everyone else wrong, cbayer. n/t trotsky Jan 2014 Religion
Reply That would be a call out, cbayer. trotsky Jan 2014 Religion
Reply Thanks for that. trotsky Jan 2014 Religion
Reply LMFAO! trotsky Jan 2014 Religion
Reply OK, I see now that you don't even care about what was posted right in front of you. trotsky Jan 2014 Religion
Reply There you are wrong, cbayer. trotsky Jan 2014 Religion
Reply The only way you can maintain that is if you have the ability to read minds. trotsky Jan 2014 Religion
Reply I've thought some more, and your analogy can even be kicked up a notch or two. trotsky Jan 2014 Religion
Reply But cbayer, you've already raised the bar higher than that. trotsky Jan 2014 Religion
Reply If you were content with leaving things at that, there wouldn't be a problem. trotsky Jan 2014 Religion
Reply There are also other behaviors that have been common throughout human history. trotsky Jan 2014 Religion
Reply Because, YET AGAIN, I will point out to you, cbayer... trotsky Jan 2014 Religion
Reply Not my fault you've gone past a 180, past a 360, trotsky Jan 2014 Religion
Reply But you don't know that for sure. trotsky Jan 2014 Religion
Reply Are you sure about that? trotsky Jan 2014 Religion
Reply But who are you to question their religious beliefs, cbayer? trotsky Jan 2014 Religion
Reply ONCE AGAIN, cbayer... trotsky Jan 2014 Religion
Reply I know this comes as a shock to you, cbayer, but sometimes... trotsky Jan 2014 Religion
Reply Yep, name-calling really helps discussion, cbayer. trotsky Jan 2014 Religion
Reply Luke Coppen, the author of the piece, is the editor of the Catholic Herald. trotsky Jan 2014 Religion
Reply You are absolutely correct, cbayer. trotsky Jan 2014 Religion
Reply Please, cbayer, stop with the stupid "scoring points" nonsense. trotsky Jan 2014 Religion
Reply LOL trotsky Jan 2014 Religion
Reply That a god is responsible, directly or indirectly, for the very existence of the universe... trotsky Dec 2013 Religion
Reply I think a very good place to start, cbayer, trotsky Dec 2013 Religion
Reply So, cbayer, in your wonderful, open, tolerant world... trotsky Dec 2013 Religion
Reply That is a very interesting claim, cbayer. trotsky Dec 2013 Religion
Reply Pathetic, cbayer. trotsky Dec 2013 Religion
Reply Hooray for your crusade against those you deem "anti-theist," cbayer. trotsky Dec 2013 Religion
Reply FFS, no one has claimed you aren't permitted do any of those things, cbayer. trotsky Dec 2013 Religion
Reply People who are anti-choice aren't welcome on DU. trotsky Dec 2013 Religion
Reply Yeah, and comparing your behavior in both threads clearly indicates that YOU trotsky Dec 2013 Religion
Reply Kinda like you do with "New Atheists," huh cbayer? trotsky Dec 2013 Religion
Reply Amazing. trotsky Dec 2013 Religion
Reply Once again trotting out that weak sauce? trotsky Dec 2013 Religion
Reply Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. trotsky Dec 2013 Religion
Reply You didn't address a single thing A_o_R said, cbayer. trotsky Dec 2013 Religion
Reply There is a huge, giant, gaping hole in the logic you're trying to use to bash atheists, cbayer. trotsky Dec 2013 Religion
Reply Because that's an underhanded trick designed to circumvent the Constitution. trotsky Dec 2013 Religion
Reply Opportunities are then being squandered by the other groups mentioned as well, cbayer. trotsky Dec 2013 Religion
Reply Words mean things, cbayer. trotsky Dec 2013 Religion
Reply So basically you admit he lied, trotsky Dec 2013 Religion
Reply Well, cbayer thinks it's a fantastic article. trotsky Dec 2013 Religion
Reply Just checking in. trotsky Dec 2013 Religion
Reply Here's something for you to do, cbayer. trotsky Dec 2013 Religion
Reply What's your opinion, cbayer? trotsky Dec 2013 Religion
Reply Once again, as has been pointed out to you, trotsky Dec 2013 Religion
Reply Way to score one for your team, cbayer! trotsky Dec 2013 Religion
Reply Is accusing someone of advocating genocide a civil or uncivil action, cbayer? trotsky Dec 2013 Religion
Reply FFS cbayer, tone down the rhetoric. trotsky Dec 2013 Religion
Reply I think you missed the point entirely. trotsky Dec 2013 Religion
Reply I don't know how it sits with MoL but it's hilarious to me. trotsky Nov 2013 Religion
Reply You know, it's this kind of parting shot: trotsky Nov 2013 Religion
Reply Great, thanks for your opinion. trotsky Nov 2013 Religion
Reply Ah, but no one said anything about *making* Christianity extinct. trotsky Nov 2013 Religion
Reply What cbayer believes or doesn't believe... trotsky Nov 2013 Religion
Reply You've said as much about atheists. trotsky Nov 2013 Religion
Reply What's there to understand, cbayer? trotsky Nov 2013 Religion
Reply LOL trotsky Nov 2013 Religion
Reply Oh, I'm pretty sure there are some who would beg to differ. trotsky Nov 2013 Religion
Reply My Koresh, it is just jaw-dropping how little you've thought this through, cbayer. trotsky Nov 2013 Religion
Reply No wonder you liked this. trotsky Nov 2013 Religion
Reply I am glad you hate straw men, cbayer. trotsky Nov 2013 Religion
Reply If the church claims to have revealed truth about god(s)... trotsky Nov 2013 Religion
Reply My post #25 is a reply to #11, which was written by cbayer. n/t trotsky Nov 2013 Religion
Reply LOL trotsky Oct 2013 Religion
Reply cbayer can criticize and mock whatever beliefs she wants. trotsky Oct 2013 Religion
Reply Again, you seem to be shifting the argument. trotsky Oct 2013 Religion
Reply To anyone without a belief in god, they are equally ridiculous. trotsky Oct 2013 Religion
Reply I'm calling bullshit. trotsky Oct 2013 Religion
Reply What's disappointing is that this is the same message many of us have been saying here... trotsky Oct 2013 Religion
Reply Battling with the religious right is indeed what needs to be done! trotsky Oct 2013 Religion
Reply Could you explain, please, when exactly it's OK to mock someone's religious beliefs? trotsky Oct 2013 Religion
Reply Your perspective, that all faiths and religions are equal and valid... trotsky Oct 2013 Religion
Reply What kind of extremists are responsible for the violent events, cbayer? trotsky Oct 2013 Religion
Reply LMAO trotsky Oct 2013 Religion
Reply You are completely and utterly wrong, cbayer. trotsky Oct 2013 Religion
Reply Wow. trotsky Oct 2013 Religion
Reply This stuff is so tiresome. trotsky Oct 2013 Religion
Reply And yet if it were just about money, they'd carry every holiday. trotsky Oct 2013 Religion
Reply When was the last time you posted a positive story about Richard Dawkins, cbayer? trotsky Oct 2013 Religion
Reply For someone you despise and wish "would go the way of the dinosaurs..." trotsky Sep 2013 Religion
Reply "As long as someone's beliefs don't impinge on the rights of others or damages them in other ways" trotsky Sep 2013 Religion
Reply But it's not just that first sentence, cbayer. trotsky Sep 2013 Religion
Reply Well, you can't prove he's wrong. trotsky Sep 2013 Religion
Reply You know, the rest of what you said was just so offensive I didn't even notice this part: trotsky Sep 2013 Religion
Reply What exactly would satisfy you, cbayer? trotsky Sep 2013 Religion
Reply Wow, to end up blaming the victim here is really pathetic. trotsky Sep 2013 Religion
Reply You think creationists are "a bunch of dumbasses," cbayer. trotsky Sep 2013 Religion
Reply I'm glad to see this evolution in your position, cbayer. trotsky Sep 2013 Religion
Reply cbayer, to be quite honest, the #1 offender I see in this group... trotsky Sep 2013 Religion

I know that "Dupe" and a link is not chastising.

It is the result of a search of trotsky's posts in this group with the keyword "cbayer"
Search term(s): cbayer
Post author: trotsky
Forum or Group: Religion
Post type: All posts and replies
Start date: September 14 2013
End date: October 14 2014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=search&forum=1218

A tad obsessive, considering the fact that he knows full well that she's had him on ignore for years.

He himself stated that his aim was to avoid "clutter"

Obsession.

Dude, take a break. Seriously.

Jesus, Warren, what would you do if weren't there to watch your back?

Anyway, yeah, pretty amazing isn't it? I knew he was obsessed, but that is beyond obsession.
I mean, can you imagine you or me doing something like that, without EVER getting a reply? And virtually every single post is chiding her for something.
Might be time for one of your little talks on "delusion". Good luck.

it really is not that important, what goes on here. Enjoy life. Put down the keyboard. Go for a sail.

Catch you later

can't YOU see how that can be interpreted as a passive-aggressive "rebuke?"

Sometimes "nothing more" can be a lot more. Particularly when snarking at someone that one knows is blind to their comments.

As for that "other" post, it's a day old, it had nine, mostly pile-on, comments, on it, last time I looked at it, so for those who want to engage in a pile-on, it's a great place for them. There was a little more nuance here until the inevitable derailments began.

As for "lead cardinals," they die. No one lives forever. If that church never changed, wouldn't they be still saying their masses in Latin? I'll wager the "No meat on Friday" and "Latin Mass Forever" cadres had their fervent acolytes (wasn't Mel Gibson--and his equally weird daddy--among those "traditionalists" who refused to accept those changes?) but hell, time, even if interminably slow, marches on. Eat your burger on Friday. Enjoy your Mass in Spanish, or Polish, or French, etc.

WRT the article, any movement on the part of an historically glacial institution is "actual change."

If it weren't a BFD, why are ALL the newspapers breathlessly covering it? With portentous headlines, too? Slow news day?

Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples

The Bishops Are Catching Up To Pope Francis on Gay Rights

Cafardi: What makes Pope Francis' synod so extraordinary?


A Bombshell Document at the Vatican Synod

Yeah, nothing to see here, move along....I quite frankly do not think I'm the one with the "interpretation" problem. YMMV and I'm sure it does, but that's my assessment.

And the link just gives whoever browses the thread the information they need to access the one that already exists on the topic.

I am disappointed you have to continue to make this a condemnation of me for simply posting one word and one link. Can't we just get past that? Admit you exaggerated and apologize? Wouldn't that be a pleasant, civil thing to do?

I've seen you get up in it with cbayer, and you're not very nice when you've done it. So no, I'm not going to "admit" or "apologize" when I've nothing to admit or apologize for. Maybe if you weren't so confrontational all the time, particularly with her, people wouldn't NOTICE it? Hmmm?

You might want to take your admonitions to others about "civility" to heart yourself. All anyone needs to do is do a simple search on your two names, and all becomes quite clear.

Like it or not, this link about the subject has gained more traction than the other one. It doesn't really matter, anyway--it's not like there's a shortage of bandwidth to accommodate more than one thread, and given that there's no "rule" against it (and the fact that you keep kicking it by railing at me) it looks like this one is the "winner"--if "winning" is characterized by hits/posts/recs.

I offered an olive branch, and you spit on it. You may have the last word. Or insult, whatever you prefer.

Let me emphasize, YOUR conduct.

Like it or not, you have a history. I don't need to be insulting, I will simply stick to facts.

Anyone can do a simple search of your name and cbayer's and see for themselves what I've seen in the recent and not-so-recent past. You don't acquit yourself terribly well in those exchanges.

cbayer is a regular poster in this group. So am I. I'm sure any search can be done on either of us and many results will turn up. I don't give a shit whether she has me on ignore or not, when she (or anyone else) says something I disagree with, I will comment on it. And no one is going to bully me into silence. I am far from the only person who has a problem with cbayer's behavior in this group.

And tell you what - I have both rug and Starboard Tack on ignore due to their documented history of abusive, nasty behavior. I told them both precisely that. Have either of them replied to me in this thread? If not, then I will quietly walk away and not post again. But if they did, will you sneer and lecture them for doing the exact same thing you are accusing me of?

I posted one non-offensive word and one freaking link to let anyone know who clicked on the thread that there was another one already started. That's ALL I DID. For that, you jumped on me - accusing me of "chastising" cbayer. Clearly you must know what that word means, and I think you realize that what I did wasn't actually "chastising" anyone.

Now rather than simply take back your wild accusation and civilly apologize (and show everyone what good behavior looks like), you have decided that I simply need to be punished for whatever sins I've committed in your eyes. I'm glad you are in such a superior position to judge and dispense punishment like that. Like I said, I hope you are at least consistent in your application of justice. Are you?

I am simply telling you what I've observed, and in my view, your interactions (which are rather noticeably one-way of late) with cbayer do not acquit you well at all. That's my opinion, and anyone can test my thesis, and discard it if they find it wanting, by using the search box in the upper right hand corner, if they'd like.

Again, you demand an apology when I've done nothing to merit issuing one.

I'm not "dispensing punishment" or engaging in the "application of justice" either (not for sins or anything else) but what an interesting choice of words.

Obviously my observations differ from yours. But I think that what you've done in this thread to me - for whatever reason - would actually be properly called "chastising," while my response to the OP was clearly not. And rather than just simply admit error (with or without an apology), you doubled - and tripled - down. So to that, I shall now place you on my ignore list. Your behavior is hypocritical, judgmental, and abusive. I hope that you shall now honor your condemnation of me and never reply to me again - since you are so opposed to such behavior.

abusive" behavior.

I haven't spent an inordinate amount of time goading and baiting someone who had me on ignore, as you have done to cbayer--conduct anyone can see by doing a simple search. That's the point you seem to want to -- forgive the expression -- ignore.

Now, hit that IGNORE button, and have a nice life!

And you know that trotsky has rug on ignore and rug knows that (he's commented on it several times replying to trotsky). So are you going to go after rug for what he's doing?

He hasn't merited the consideration, based on his own behavior towards cbayer, which I find terribly uncivil and unabating to the point of obsessive.

There's a lengthy list of the subject lines of many of his baiting posts directed at cbayer posted elsewhere in this thread by another DUer. That post pretty much illustrates the point I've made.

If you want to take up his banner and defend his honor, though--no one's stopping you.

And you find what rug has done in this group unproblematic?

I'm just asking you to admit what you are doing. It isn't about how people act. It's about how people act toward people you like.

And trotsky is more than capable of handling his own fight. He doesn't need my help. Apparently you think differently about cbayer.

If you want to fight battles, be my guest. Get to it, it will probably be time better spent than attempting to goad me.

Neither your call to arms nor your characterization of my view of cbayer moves me--sorry if that disappoints, but I can't get exorcised over these strawman of poutrage you want me to involve myself in.

If you see an injustice that you find troubling, raise your flag and go at it. Don't wait for me because it will be a long wait.

I remain unmotivated despite your attempts at exhortation.

You've been around DU long enough to know that posting "Dupe" and an link is pretty normal around here.

They die but they are being replaced by the same power structure. So is "gay marriage is from Satan" Pope Francis going to put new cardinals in place that believe differently from him? Unlikely.

And the "eat meat on Fridays" thing never went away. If you eat meat on Friday, you need to give up something else.

That's my opinion, and you're free to differ.

If the Catholic Church isn't making any progress (and they were constrained by not one, but two "backward" popes--the last two--IMO) then wouldn't they still be saying Mass in Latin, prohibiting meat eating on Fridays, and wouldn't nuns still be wearing wimples and long dresses? Wouldn't they make ladies wear hats in church, and wouldn't they demand a standard of formal dress that has gone well by the wayside these days? Clearly, the people who made these rules died off, to be replaced by people with more modern ideas--otherwise, I don't think they'd have all those ladies up on the altar like they do these days, or little girls as altar "boys," etc.

I don't mean to be rude, but if you CAN eat meat on Friday, that's a "change." Because you flat out could NOT before.

Doesn't matter what else one gives up--it used to be, if you had a Friday supper in a Catholic household, it was mac and cheese, fishsticks, spaghetti with tomato sauce (no meat), or plain pizza. There was no "trading" allowed.

I'm old and I remember these things.

whose task it is to put down the unruly peasants who are replying to "ignored" when they know they shouldn't. So you don't have to concern yourself with this "ignored".

I don't think there is much chance of Warren, or anyone else, cluttering the group.

Some atheists believe that religion is "intrinsically disordered" yet still show respect toward believers, YMMV

The rhetoric they use currently is very extreme. They say gay people are inherently disordered, that fighting out rights is God's war which must be fought. So they are going to tone that down a notch?
Pitiful.

What is wrong with you not being all enthusiastic and everything?

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I realize that this may be way too little and way too late, but toning it down a notch is at least a move in the right direction, isn't it?

I know that you have every reason to be pessimistic here, but I see a glimmer of light.

Do the words "no change in policy" mean something different to the religious?

suggested months ago after something the Pope himself said, and people interpreted as being more than air, and immediately the Church went into overdrive to make sure everyone knew it didn't actually mean any real change in doctrine or practice.

So yeah, the same 'we're going to smile more at gays while still telling them they're sinners going to Hell' isn't really a 'glimmer of light' to most people, any more than Republicans smiling at poor people while cutting the safety net.

continuing to walk down the same path.

He has now taken this to a working group of cardinals and they have followed his lead.

The "overdrive" you speak of I believe were statements by one or two individuals. If you have more than that, I would be happy to look at it.

I certainly understand the lack of optimism here, but I think it is a mistake to attack them when they are saying the right thing.

We shall see.

It must be ever so wonderful to live in a world so unaffected by the Vatican's policies.

Some of us have to actually live with the consequences of this bullshit persecution.

Your refusal to acknowledge and praise his tolerance of your existence is anti-theist bigotry you know.

Some of the posts in this thread make me sick.

Such insights!

overall very good news.

Are my actual words to difficult to deal with?

The nation has come a long way from DADT, too.

are agenda driven and nothing else.

Interfaith!

The problem, imo, started at it's creation and it has never recovered.

There's a lot of vitriol in this post that you can't see owing to your ignore list. It really brings the conversation down to little more than a big old pissing contest/hatefest.

That's not as much of a problem in a group where vitriol just isn't tolerated. The chat might not be fast, but it's more productive, I think.

I tend to enjoy the conversations I have here in religion. They are, in general, both civil and respectful. Even when there is wide disagreement, I like that most conversations end on a rather positive note.

I get ridiculed for my "kumbayah" approach, but I'm not going to abandon it.

There are many ways to not tolerate vitriol and where it flourishes there are generally multiple players who revel in it.

Anyway, I appreciate your participation in both groups when I see it.

Here, perhaps somebody close to you can provide a response to this:

...than women, but still higher than being burned at the stake.

While the RCC's attitude towards GLBT people has been truly reprehensible, no one has been burned at the stake for over 1000 years.

They have a long way to go, but they have come quite a long way from that particular practice.

Um you have again blundered beyond comprehension.

Stake burning most certainly has occurred in the last 1000 years under the auspices of both the RCC and assorted governments swearing allegiance to and working closely with the RCC.

For example one Joan of Arc was burned at the stake 30 May 1431 after being convicted of heresy.

She was not the only one.

I only recall them burning candles and incense. See, things are improving!

Has it really been that long? I was pretty sure it hadn't happened in my lifetime. They really are improving!

pushing for the death penalty in some countries in Africa.

The RCC is not a part of that though.

somehow.

because stuff and reasons?

it has much more to do with US fundamentalists than the RCC.

Surely you forget her, and others, when you speak of 1000 years.

That's news to me (and pretty much everyone).

You can retract your nonsense anytime now.

Oh and:

Her dressing "like a man" was part of the charges against her.

And are you really saying that you didn't know the Spanish Inquisition burned people at the stake for homosexuality? Because they did. And that was within the last 1000 years.

This is not something I claim any kind of expertise in.

I did some research when the topic came up and what I saw was what I reported.

If I am incorrect, then I stand corrected.

but she was burned at the stake because she was a huge pain in the butt to the English whose attempt to conquer France she thwarted. Pierre Cauchon, the aptly-named bishop who supervised the proceedings against her, was pro-English, and well rewarded for being so.

Whether she was gay or not never even entered into my consideration.

With a huge helping of just not being able to stand the thought of being beaten by a girl.

There were few women available who exemplified the kinds of characteristics that I valued at an early age.

Clear my feelings and beliefs about her were the things of fairy tales, but she meant a lot to me.

I knew she pissed off the men, but who she might be sexually attracted to was of no interest to me at all.

I still wear a bronze medal that's been passed down in my father's family since WWI. It carries Joan's image and the motto "Ils ne passeront pas"--"They shall not pass."