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Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 02:14 PM Nov 2014

Murdering in the name of god.


NAIROBI, Kenya — Gunmen from Somalia’s Islamist insurgent group, the Shabab, attacked a bus in northeastern Kenya on Saturday and killed 28 people after singling out those aboard the vehicle who were not Muslims, the Kenyan police said.

The Shabab claimed responsibility for the attack through the group’s radio station in Somalia, saying it was in retaliation for recent raids by Kenyan forces on four mosques in Mombasa.

Nineteen men and nine women were killed after being removed from the bus, said the inspector general of the Kenyan police, David Kimaiyo.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/23/world/africa/shabab-gunmen-attack-bus-in-kenya-and-kill-28.html?_r=0



(Reuters) - Islamic State militants have killed at least 25 members of a Sunni Muslim tribe in a village on the eastern edge of the provincial capital Ramadi, local officials said on Saturday, in apparent revenge for tribal opposition to the radical Islamists.

They said the bodies of the men from the Albu Fahd tribe were discovered by the Iraqi army when it launched a counter-offensive on Saturday against Islamic State near Ramadi, the capital of Anbar province.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/22/us-mideast-crisis-ramadi-idUSKCN0J609O20141122?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews

Luckily these murders were conducted by people with sincerely held religious beliefs, not by delusional psychotic mass murderers. Anyone who claims otherwise is a big meenie.
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Murdering in the name of god. (Original Post) Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 OP
How can you use these murders to take a cheap shot on a discussion board? pinto Nov 2014 #1
What cheap shot? Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #2
Feel you devalued those lost lives simply for a discussion point here. One you could make otherwise. pinto Nov 2014 #4
Yes that is exactly it. You feel insulted by the connection between mass murder Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #7
I'm not insulted at all. You miss my point. pinto Nov 2014 #9
You sound like the NRA when there's yet another mass shooting... Silent3 Nov 2014 #6
"Cheap shot" was poorly worded. I was looking for way to say shamelessly tacky. pinto Nov 2014 #10
The only thing shamelessly tacky is your conclusion that Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #11
Kickin' Faux pas Nov 2014 #3
Neither have I. pinto Nov 2014 #5
Kick & Rec'd. Dawson Leery Nov 2014 #8
Just think of all the Maoist, Marxist, RW Nationalist etc. guerrillas of the 20th Century until now CJCRANE Nov 2014 #12
Did you pull that headline out of your ass? rug Nov 2014 #13
It's a subject line accompanied by an opionion and two references. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #14
Of course they murdered in the name of god what better reason could they have used Leontius Nov 2014 #15
Gott Mitt Uns. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #16
I wonder if any the the survivors thanked God to be alive. stone space Nov 2014 #17
no it would be stupid and quite insulting to the families of those who died. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #20
I'm sure that some did. stone space Nov 2014 #21
Suggested reading: LTX Nov 2014 #18
yes she has taken avoiding the obvious to a new level. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #19
No end in sight: Suicide blast at Afghan volleyball game kills 50 Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #22
Volleyball brings out the basest of human instincts. rug Nov 2014 #24
More: 'Boko Haram' kills 48 Nigerian fishermen near Chad. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #23
Religion is clearly at the heart of this. rug Nov 2014 #25

pinto

(106,886 posts)
1. How can you use these murders to take a cheap shot on a discussion board?
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 02:48 PM
Nov 2014

Please don't devalue the lost lives as a set up for a snarky comment in a long running round robin here on DU. You've got to be bigger than that.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
2. What cheap shot?
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 02:51 PM
Nov 2014

Up and down this forum the religionistas are JUST OUTRAGED that anyone could conflate their favorite fairy tales with delusions. Well in the real world religious nut jobs are murdering people by the score EVERY GODDAMN DAY. Treating religious nonsense as anything other than the nonsense it is - giving it a privileged status - is part of the problem.

pinto

(106,886 posts)
4. Feel you devalued those lost lives simply for a discussion point here. One you could make otherwise.
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 03:11 PM
Nov 2014

Demeaned them, imo, as a set up for your closing snarky comment. "Cheap shot" was how you went about it.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
7. Yes that is exactly it. You feel insulted by the connection between mass murder
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 03:57 PM
Nov 2014

and religion so I've "demeaned the victims" of religious violence. Yes. I see your point. Exactly. It sure must be swell to have such a privileged set of beliefs.

pinto

(106,886 posts)
9. I'm not insulted at all. You miss my point.
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 05:26 PM
Nov 2014

I'm embarrassed at the manipulation of the killings, brutal murders, to set up another run of the puerile bone of contention you have with other DU members.

Not insulting to me at all. Just embarrassing all around, imo. For you, me, your targets and DU. I'm tired of it all.

Silent3

(15,241 posts)
6. You sound like the NRA when there's yet another mass shooting...
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 03:29 PM
Nov 2014

...and they decry how terrible it is that anyone would "play politics" with the lost lives of the massacred.

Conveniently, by definition, it will always be a "cheap shot" to point out atrocities committed in the name of religion.

pinto

(106,886 posts)
10. "Cheap shot" was poorly worded. I was looking for way to say shamelessly tacky.
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 05:34 PM
Nov 2014

Thought I could dance around that a bit. In any event, I made my comments to the OP directly. Don't want to drag this out anymore.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
11. The only thing shamelessly tacky is your conclusion that
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 06:01 PM
Nov 2014

bringing up the daily evidence of religion inspired psychotic brutality is somehow out of bounds and a cheap shot in the ongoing discussion here regarding religion and delusion. We are surrounded, inundated with religious violence, but the mere suggestion that religious beliefs are delusions is terribly insulting and has to stop. What has to stop is our pretending that religious beliefs aren't in fact delusions. What has to stop is our insane pandering to people who profess belief in fairy tales and use those professed beliefs to justify absolute nonsense, frequently horrifying absolute nonsense. The Islamic psychotics in Anbar are just an extreme example. Closer to home we aren't chopping off the heads of infidels, we are instead justifying homophobia, putting Moses up as a "founding father" in public school textbooks, claiming that there can't be any problem with climate change because some fictional deity gave us this planet to use so nothing ever bad can happen, and yes every now and then killing people for God, just like Boko Haran does, and celebrating it on Fox and Hate Radio.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
12. Just think of all the Maoist, Marxist, RW Nationalist etc. guerrillas of the 20th Century until now
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 07:49 PM
Nov 2014

many of which were and are just as brutal.

Religion is pretty much irrelevant in my opinion. People will find an excuse to do what they want to do, whether it's from the words of Mao or Marx or from some holy book.

However, I do think that some religious people might be more impressionable due to the more authoritarian nature of some interpretations, the lack of respect for science and logic in same, and the hypnotic nature of repeating prayers, chants and mantras.


AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
14. It's a subject line accompanied by an opionion and two references.
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 09:07 PM
Nov 2014

Not a headline and an article dropped without comment, like a bad smell in the elevator.

 

Leontius

(2,270 posts)
15. Of course they murdered in the name of god what better reason could they have used
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 09:26 PM
Nov 2014

what better justification can you call for when you violate the right of fellow humans to live a life in peace. Really does liberty, equality, fraternity have quite the same ring as god wills it. Does volk and fatherland have the same power and call.

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
17. I wonder if any the the survivors thanked God to be alive.
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 08:59 AM
Nov 2014

Last edited Sun Nov 23, 2014, 09:31 AM - Edit history (1)

If so, that would be the real outrage, wouldn't it?

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
21. I'm sure that some did.
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 10:39 AM
Nov 2014
no it would be stupid and quite insulting to the families of those who died.


And your hateful feelings towards those surviving victims who did is noted.

At least we know your attitude towards the victims of these horrendous acts.

They are the least of your concerns here.



LTX

(1,020 posts)
18. Suggested reading:
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 09:24 AM
Nov 2014
Fields of Blood, by Karen Armstrong. Advance notice -- bumper-sticker argumentation so favored by contemporary atheists is unfortunately missing from Ms. Armstrong's analysis of religion and violence.
 

rug

(82,333 posts)
25. Religion is clearly at the heart of this.
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 01:50 PM
Nov 2014
In Thursday's attack, the traders were on their way to Chad to buy fish when militants blocked their path near the village of Doron Baga, some 180km (112 miles) north of Maiduguri in Borno state.

Abubakar Gamandi, the head of the fish sellers' association, said the militants had used no guns.

- snip -

On Wednesday, Boko Haram gunmen attacked the village of Azaya Kura, also in Borno state, killing at least 45 people.

In this attack too, victims' hands were tied behind their backs and their throats were slit. The attack was apparently aimed at punishing the community after four insurgents were pointed out to soldiers and were shot dead.

Obseesion (in the colloquial sense).
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