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rug

(82,333 posts)
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 01:47 PM Dec 2014

Where This Atheist Parent Is This Christmas

December 13, 2014
by Libby Anne

Last year my in-laws gave us a really nice toy nativity set, for the kids. This year I got it out again, and it has been getting a lot of use.

When I first had children after leaving my parents’ conservative evangelical beliefs behind, I was afraid. Mainly, I was afraid that my children would be hurt by religion in the way I had. And so I tried to shield them from it, to keep it away from them. When relatives gave us a book about Noah’s Ark, I changed the words and the story when reading it to Sally.

Over time, my perspective and ideas began to shift. I met progressive Christians with a completely different approach to the Bible and faith, and ceased to see religion—rather than specific beliefs—as the enemy. I realized that if I tried to determine my children’s future beliefs, I would be repeating my parents’ mistake. I realized that stories only have the power we give them, and I began to see beauty in a diversity of myths and stories—Christian and Hindu, science fiction and fantasy. I let go of my fear.

And so when Sally asked me, yesterday, to tell her the story that went along with the nativity set, I did, without fear. Sally still lives in a world of stories, a world where meaning is often more important than truth. Sometimes reading mythology and other stories leads to interesting discussions on what is “true” and what isn’t and what we mean when we use the word “true.” Besides, Sally is still young. I take her with me to our local Unitarian Universalist church so that she can learn about a variety of ideas and traditions. She will form her own beliefs as she grows, and that process is hers.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2014/12/where-this-atheist-parent-is-this-christmas.html

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Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
1. Sounds like a great plan.
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 01:52 PM
Dec 2014

Though many, even on here, would not like the nativity story and others to be called "mythology."

Heck, look at the reaction that so many had to people actually pointing out that there is NO historical evidence for the Jews being enslaved in Egypt.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
5. yeah, that was some serious mental gymnastics.
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 02:28 PM
Dec 2014

It's as if their beliefs are not reinforced, they might actually be seen for what they really are.

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
2. Yes. Don't shield children from mythology -- bombard them with it.
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 01:59 PM
Dec 2014

The first book I remember reading on my own was a book of bible stories. Then I sought out the science fiction books in the library.

Free access to fantasy enables reality.

--imm

Nay

(12,051 posts)
4. That's what we did. We went to a UU church as Sonny Nay grew up. He
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 02:28 PM
Dec 2014

learned about all the different religious traditions and has no allegiance to any of them.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
6. Learning about the different religious beliefs and stories is one thing, indoctrinating them to
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 02:29 PM
Dec 2014

Believe those stories as real and factual is another.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
9. Of course it is. Did I say otherwise? Maybe I should have made my point
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 03:27 PM
Dec 2014

clearer -- learning about all the different religions and how they are generally all believed to be true by their specific believers (and no others) and how they could not all be factually true at the same time really helped Sonny Nay come to the conclusion that they were all pretty much bullshit.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
8. think of it is vaccination
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 02:49 PM
Dec 2014

there immune system get exposed to a less potent version, then they build immunity, being able to see these as allegories and metaphors rather than literal truth.

Jim__

(14,075 posts)
11. "Sally still lives in a world ... where meaning is often more important than truth."
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 05:06 AM
Dec 2014

Interesting thought.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
12. When I studied the history of Italy something stuck with me
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 12:53 PM
Dec 2014

An Oxford Professor argues that Jesus and early Christians were persecuted by the Romans for being intolerant of other religious practices. The Romans were assimilators that conquered land through military force but held it by making the conquered want to be Roman. The Romans tolerated, even encouraged a huge range of religious and spiritual thought and practice. Hadrian created the Pantheon, which true to its name was a temple for "all beliefs."

As the Roman empire started to crumble the Romans flipped and embraced Christianity. Took it over basically. They saw in Christianity the opportunity to conquer hearts and minds. The intolerant part of Christianity, that all must think the same, became a key feature. Then you have a transition where the 7 vestal virgins get cut down to one virgin. A myriad of Gods goes down to only 3. Pagan events get eclipsed, intentionally, by Roman Catholic holidays. And the Roman Empire gets replaced by the Holy Roman Empire.

A careful reading of Biblical sources shows that Jesus was likely born in late September of 3 BC. Ironically, the Nativity scene testifies to this timing:

...we know that shepherds were in the fields watching their flocks at the time of Jesus' birth (Luke:2 -8

). Shepherds were not in the fields during December. According to Celebrations: The Complete Book of American Holidays, Luke's account "suggests that Jesus may have been born in summer or early fall. Since December is cold and rainy in Judea, it is likely the shepherds would have sought shelter for their flocks at night"


http://www.ucg.org/doctrinal-beliefs/biblical-evidence-shows-jesus-christ-wasnt-born-dec-25/

Good luck atheist parent! The division between stories and truth gets complicated in a hurry.
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