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Related: About this forumSam Harris rips the head of the National Institute of Health for pushing religious ‘bullsh*t’
The outspoken atheist said that Francis Collins, the current head of the National Institute of Health and the former director of the international Human Genome Project, was an example of an intelligent person who peddled religious bullshit.
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Now, this is not to say that people dont have great experiences that they want to capture in religious language, Harris said. But when you look at someone like Francis Collins, who is running the NIH, who is a medical geneticist and obviously a very smart guy who has made real contributions to science but he is also a bit of a Bible-thumper, hes an evangelical Christian. He believes in evolution, thankfully, but he also believes that immortal souls and free will were just downloaded onto the hard drive of only one species of primate at some point in history by an almighty God.
And when you ask him about the resurrection, he believes in the resurrection (of Jesus) and he believes in the coming resurrection of the dead, and he, I think, is sensitive to how unseemly it is for the head of the NIH to talk about these things, so when you ask him for details, he says, Well, this is all very complicated and you should consult the work of John Polkinghorne and N.T. Wright. And when you consult their work, you get just pure madness. It is just a word salad, which is foisted on scientifically illiterate people by scientifically literate people for reasons that are patently emotional.
I think we should be even more critical in some sense of people like Francis Collins, the so-called nuanced religious person, Harris concluded.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/atheist-sam-harris-rips-the-head-of-the-national-institute-of-health-for-pushing-religious-bullsht/
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)a verneer of Scientist which will fool lots of people.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)I can't speak to whether he's a good scientist or simply a good administrator, but he finished the Human Genome Project ahead of time and under budget. That's worth something.
Like any PhD, he's very intelligent, but very specialized. He's imminently qualified to speak of genetics, but no more qualified than you or I to speak of theology. Apologists don't seem to realize this, or simply don't care.
I've read his conversion story. It's absolutely laughable.
rug
(82,333 posts)He's a buzzkill to his spiel.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)To paraphrase him, reason and emotion are incompatible.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)It's ignorant drivel deserving of every smiley that can be used to ridicule it.
Go on, feed that last word compulsion. You know you have to, you need to.
rug
(82,333 posts)I'm not surprised he's gone over the bend on things besides Islam. After all, I'm sure you remember his famous quote that if he could choose only one, he'd prefer to eliminate religion over rape.
What's that, you don't recall that? Well, here you go:
Saltman, Bethany (September 2006), "The Temple Of Reason", The Sun
Ignorant drivel indeed.
Oh, and speaking of a last word compulsion,
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)I just know you and your last word compulsion to well.
Go on, feed it some more.
Jim__
(14,077 posts)... unanimously confirmed by the Senate.
Sam Harris doesn't even have an official nomination to the thought police - although it appears that he thinks he does.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)No, it doesnt.
Jim__
(14,077 posts)And, of course, the Director of the NIH is not a creationist.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)He rejects naturalistic evolution (the only kind we have any evidence for) and believes instead that his god intervened in the evolution of life on earth. He's even criticized the revamped creationism - "intelligent design" - but only in the way that he thinks IDers are making the mistake of taking a "god of the gaps" approach, claiming god is responsible for everything unexplained. He says that only when he determines a problem is "unsolvable" should it be attributed to his god
This Slate interview from 2009 contains a lot of info.
This is an audacious claim for any scientist to make, and Collins does not deserve a free pass on this from the scientific community.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Are you reading a different article? Did you even read the article? He may not be a young earth creationist, but his answer for how we got here is "God did it". He also believes other wildly absurd religious things, like people coming back to life as other supernatural claims.
Jim__
(14,077 posts)Creationists deny evolution. Harris explicitly states that Collins believes in it - as does Collins. Your claim is nonsense.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Please, just stop. Harris is right, the director of NIH shouldn't be one that believes that supernatural miracles are real. Period.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,321 posts)and he accepts there's some altruism in non-human animals too. Plus he believes God humans a soul, of course, but they don't exist, so they didn't evolve.
Jim__
(14,077 posts)Metaphysical beliefs are outside the scope of science.
Prophet 451
(9,796 posts)I think Harris goes too far. This guy's beliefs don't seem to be affecting his work so they are, bluntly, none of Harris's business.