The taxpayers of that area should be FURIOUS that they may have to pay a lawsuit because of this.

But pay they should.

Maybe she never voiced her concerns...who actually knows but security takes priority...such activities are group settings with correction officers being present. They can't be stationed in 2 places at once...so, I believe there is a reasonable rational for her attending.

Prisoners have enough problems, confusing them with make believe invisible people in the sky only makes it worse.

Most welcome the volunteers from the clergy...That may surprise you.

Shouldn't have even filed.

constitution and her rights, what was she thinking, Muslim's have no rights in this christian country

up doing. There was no forcing.

The officer did stop her for jaywalking, but that is not what she was arrested for.

Just wanted to set the story straight before it got out of hand.

of being arrested for such silliness if you are brown

John Cleese better never walk around here

There is no question that you are more likely to be arrested if you are brown.

But felonious assault on a police officer is a serious charge and I don't think we can really say whether her arrest was justified or not.

Offering a starving man a shit sandwich or a shit burrito aren't choices, and you can't shrug off his hunger when he choose neither, or say he deserves a bad taste in his mouth when he chooses one over the other.

...sure, this counts as a "choice" too.

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That is the very definition of a choice[/font]

She made a choice...

It's jail...bond out if you don't like it.

But there is no justification for forcing someone to attend a religious service. I've been in & out of Wisconsin jails & prisons & other Corrections settings for 25 years, & I never heard of anyone being forced to attend a service. Wisconsin prisons typically offer Native American and other services to inmates. Any attendance, and any contact with clergy, is strictly voluntary. You don't want to go, you stay back in your cell. People at the central station monitor you on camera if they want.

most welcome any break in the monotony, but you seem to believe that being forced to endure proselytizing is appropriate.

You've excused it. Straight out: are you a Christian? And, if so, which version of Christianity do you practice?
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I believe in the universe. I just know jail staffing may not of been able to accommodate inmates choices. They could possibly place some inmates in a cold cell during the program but that's not inviting either.

Jail staffing MUST provide security within the jail, it's their job. It's their mandate, they're excuse for having the badge.
It's what they get paid for.

It isn't "accommodating inmate choices". It's the Constitution. You cannot make people go to religious services. Magistrates have been removed from office for pulling that Bible-Belt shit here in the South.

You know, you're not fooling anyone. You wouldn't be trying so hard to justify this if you weren't personally convinced
that Jesus trumps mere human law like the Constitution.

If you're going to try-quite clumsily-to deceive me, I'm done with you.

Unless you want to deny Him two out of three.

So I'll ask again: Have you accepted Christ as your Lord and Personal Savior?

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The inmate could go into a cold cell...they are not force fed any religious jargon. Security and safety in a dangerous setting rules. If they don't want to go, they can ask for a Sergeant and, ultimately go into a holding cell. No one cares...really.

Oh, you meant "Sergeant".

1. I don't "blow gaskets", so don't try to patronize me.

2. Security and safety do not over-rule the Constitution. So stop making up the rules.

3. I told you I won't try to hold a discussion with a dishonest person.
a. So you can't make the denial? Interesting...
b. You sure you won't try? C'mon, it's only denial #2.

Additionally, you just don't fit in....May I suggest you work on your people skills if you desire to be a credible discussion member on DU. Just some friendly advice.

"No" means "No".

So, don't hold your breath... You'll turn blue.

He has a great deal of trouble seeing that there are lots of varieties of non-religious people and if you aren't the variety he is, then you must be lying.

Not worth the bother, frankly.

I'm good....just bored.

that if people go to church particularly a Christian Church they will be better people. If it was really true then with a nation with the highest rate of Christianity in the industrialized world we would have a lot lower crime and a safety network.

That particular idea is extremely widespread. We see evidence of it on DU all the time. Frequently, someone who posts a story about a Christian doing a bad thing will put the word "Christian" in quotes - thereby implying that Christians never, ever do bad things.

On the other hand if someone from another religion or no religion does something bad and their affiliation is known that does not get the quotes.

It's kind of like trying to prove racism you either see it or you don't.

that I have never seen happen. It was meant to malign some people by accusing them of taking a certain position.

That's how rumor and innuendo get started. And when someone is making that kind of accusation, they really should do so based on evidence, not belief and faith.

If you think you see racism and then accuse someone of being a racist, shouldn't it be more than a hunch?

names dates times quotes, nope none of that.

Just a blanket statement that christians on the site change headlines to suit some agenda.

If someone were making that kind of statement about a group of members that, say, you were a part of, would you not want to see something to back that up?

These kinds of accusations without merit are harmful and divisive.

in certain matters, cbayer. I see it. I also see the excuse, "But they're not real Christians". Yes they are.
Yes, they are.

Many here do act as if a Christian cannot do wrong. And we can't prove it to you, anymore than you can prove Christ existed. We can't prove it to you because you want, need, to believe it isn't true.

You're playing a semantic game, demanding proof. It's trite and it's shallow. It's passive-aggressive. As if we need to save long lists of links just to satisfy cbayer's demands. So just knock off the childish crap and you prove to me it never happens.

You know, insinuating that another poster is making things up without proof is a serious matter. In essence, you've called another DUer a liar. That's how rumor gets started, from innuendo. You wouldn't want to be guilty of starting rumors without proof, would you cb?

So, where's your proof?

I don't think you can even find a single example, but if you are going to make this kind of claim, you really should be able to provide the evidence that you say can be seen on DU all the time.

As a matter of fact, what is more likely to happen is for someone to change a headline to include the word christian when it wasn't in the headline to begin with. This is clearly done in an attempt to say that bad things are done by christians. I can give you two examples of that from just last week.

Maybe the inmates just like getting out of their cell so a church service will fit the need. They also can get clergy visits, thus getting out of the cell or Pod...

They also beg to become inmate workers...free jail laborers essentially...they do get an extra meal tray, extra visit per week. This too is extremely popular.

the more pious and contrite you are the more likely you get a get out of jail early card.

That said. Jail does not have parole..prison utilizes that system. Jail inmates typically are waiting for trial, in for probation violation or serving a short sentence locally, less than a year, usually days or a few months. Many are waiting for a rehab program...

Because guards like to see the inmates buying into religion. They think its rehab or something. I really don't know. I don't know jail from prison or religion from other dogma. I just know that if you are religious it's almost an automatic assumption that you are a better person. I don't make that assumption about the religious or non-religious mostly cuz I don't care what a persons ism is, I care about how they behave not what they believe.

think that if you are religion you are not a better person at all, quite the opposite.

The fact is that prejudice and intolerance are not acceptable no matter which way they flow.

There is a high degree of religiosity in jails and prisons. The reasons for that are as varied as there are inmates.

Religious services and chaplains should be available, but no one should be expected to participate in religious programs.

That's the bottom line here. Freedom of religion and freedom from religion. That's what we are built on.

The community offers many fringe activities.. Church is one, many denominations volunteer... Jewish, Christian, Muslim... They all are available. The jail only functions to house inmates...primary goal in a nutshell. The jail is owned by the County in the community thus providing community access is a reasonable accommodation....

projecting their own intent onto Muslims to cover for their own autocratic tendencies and theocratic fantasies?

Lots of folks around here that I think would be more comfortable on hannity.com

get sanctioned.

But I don't think you should make accusations unless you really have something to back it up.

If there have been fundamentalists on this site, they didn't last long.

someone

Never mind, this is my last post in the religion group

which I think will suit you just fine

I do apologize about one thing, I came to DU looking for liberals, I need to keep looking

in all capital letters so that it seems like I am yelling at you.

Sorry if DU is not liberal enough for you. Good luck in your future endeavors!

It may even be hypercritical... Just step back and examine your assertion...let's be kind.

How can any government set out to force religious indoctrination on prisoners without someone with half a brain mentioning that coercion under threat of authority is illegal? Did they really think that they could get away with violating the most basic rights guaranteed by the Constitution without any consequences?

I hope that woman, and every other prisoner who was threatened, intimidated and subjected to compulsory religious attendance by those government officials, wins lots and lots of money. It probably won't teach them a lesson, but monumental stupidity should come at a price.

No one should ever be required to attend any of them.

Most jails have them...new arrivals are placed there until they calm down and/ or bond out or get housing assignment in the jail. Its not a pleasant confinement... So, going to the church service usually wins out.

While religious services should be available, there clearly should never be an expectation that people must attend. Never.

There is really not enough detail to know what really happened, but if what she says is true, she sure seems to have a case.

I see it was filed at the federal level, so suspect that is the primary (federal, constitutional) argument. Required attendance at a religious service by a government entity would clearly be unconstitutional. I know there are a lot of required activities in an incarceration setting, but a religious service?