of LGBT persons illegal.

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2015/jan/06/poll-finds-idahoans-support-add-the-words-anti/

How does providing protection for people's human rights discriminate against christians…. ever?

If discrimination against GLBT people is rare, as they claim, then why the strong protest against going ahead with this?

The bill doesn't insinuate that Idahoans are nasty people, but the reaction to it's introduction does.

The only thing underlying this is that they want to be legally permitted to discriminate. Hateful, the bunch of them.

It really boils down to some religious people (like the pope) who think gay people are instruments of the devil.

Damn, he gets around for 78.

The pope just promotes it, as do no shortage of people who speak for Islam and Protestantism.

"You can safely assume you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do."
— Anne Lamott

No need to go all Gilgamesh.

So the fact that gay and transgender people can be fired or denied service in most states with no federal or state civil rights legislation protecting them is simply "pedestrian" and we should just ignore the bigots who are preaching hate from the pulpits and blocking the effort?

The disdain is for your attempt to use the fight over this bill as a platform for whatever antireligious baggage you're carrying.

This is a real fight affecting real people not an excuse for predictable hyperbolic rhetoric.

Really.

Otherwise you can simply copy your post and paste it as a reply in any random thread in here.

about that.

The pope did make a comment about the devil four years ago, but has shown some evidence that he is changing his position.

But I have yet to see him walk back those words, and as I demonstrated previously he repeated virtually the same thing just a few days ago. At any rate the pope is far from the only one saying those things. Protestant charlatans in the US say far worse. It's not religion that drives these people to hate. They just use their religion to justify it.

I can do that would convince you that he is moving forward.

Is there anything about him you find positive?

Otherwise, I agree that this is coming from a position of hate, be it religious or not.

You can demonstrate how the pope has actually changed his position and now supports gay marriage and condemns anti-gay bigotry, but since he has yet to do that we'll just have to wait and see. Until then it really doesn't matter to me what else the pope does. He could be catching babies dropping from burning buildings and it still doesn't change the fact that he's been using his position to promote the worst sort of hate, and this actually does translate to very serious consequences to the LGBT community which includes getting fired from their jobs or never being hired, being denied basic governmental and commercial services that everyone else takes for granted, mental damage, and violence including being beat to death and suicide. Nobody is either entirely good or entirely bad. Continuously pointing out the good things about the pope simply gives him a pass on the bad, which is actually very bad, damn bad even. At some point the bad one does makes them irredeemable unless they change and the pope has just not changed on this.

and has condemned anti-gay bigotry, have I? What I have said is that he appears to be changing his position from the one he had four years ago. I understand that you don't see that. If you can not support anything that he does because of his position on this issue, then that is certainly your option.

I have a different position. I support some of what he does and am very critical of other things. As you say, nobody is either entirely good or entirely bad.

You really don't need to tell me what kinds of horrible things GLBT people in this world face. I am fully aware of that.

In the meantime, I am going to continue to try and push him in the right direction and road block him when I think he is headed in the wrong direction.

And I very much hope this bill passes in Idaho.

evidence, whether its by word or deed, something that shows he's softening on his position or diverging from the Homophobic beliefs present in the Catechism.

The only thing I see his supporters trot out is the incomplete line "Who am I to judge?" when referring to gay people. The problem is that this is a misquote, the full quote is this:

"There's a lot of talk about the gay lobby, but I've never seen it on the Vatican ID card."

"When I meet a gay person, I have to distinguish between their being gay and being part of a lobby. If they accept the Lord and have goodwill, who am I to judge them? They shouldn't be marginalized. The tendency [to homosexuality] is not the problem ... they're our brothers."

http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/pope-homosexuals-who-am-i-judge

Sounds great until you realize what he means, first off, those who lobby for gay rights are part of the "gay lobby". In addition, what do you think he means by those who accept the Lord and have goodwill. I'll give you a hint, they are guaranteed to be single!

The second part, about Homosexuality not being a problem is lifted straight from the Catechism, the Catholic Church since at least the 1970s, the Church never had a problem with gay people existing, but they better remain celibate to stay in the Church's good graces.

As far as Pope Francis's positive qualities, he upholds the longstanding Catholic belief in Distributism, of course, this type of belief is supposed to be a counter for Secular Marxism, Socialism, and Capitalism. However, I will admit its a useful doctrine to try to get some otherwise reluctant Catholics to vote for some economically progressive issues. Other than that, its utility may be limited.

Yet somehow we must believe that he is progressing on this issue.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pope-francis-compares-pushing-gay-agenda-to-hitler-youth-indoctrination