is too many Muslim groups here are funded by Saudi Arabia who want the more extreme Wahabi Islam taught.

I read an article about this about a year ago, but can't find it now.

And yes, it is good some are bushing back.

in certain areas of the country. I have also read something about their funding sources.

But they aren't "Muslim groups" and I think your statement is a bit over-reaching and could be misinterpreted.

We all need to push back and we need to push back together. Marginalizing Muslims seems to me to be a very poor idea.

"Muslim groups" because without the article I read I could not be more specific. I think it included schools and Muslim Cultural orgs.

that up, because I think it's a particularly bad time to broad brush american muslims in a negative way.

IMO, this is the time to stand up for american muslims.

Muslim groups that are funded by the Saudis. Not all by any means.
Your article shows other Muslim groups that are more progressive and forward looking.

You do this a lot, when I criticize certain parts of a community, you accuse me of broad brushing all of them.

It is very clear here I was not talking about all Muslims and even praised the ones who are trying to fight extremism.

I wish you would stop, it's disingenuous.

You make broad statements without evidence to back them up, then back down when challenged.

I wish you would stop. It's disingenuous.

that make me just throw up my hands and say WTF, why even try.

If you want to keep parsing the language so precisely and not deal with the meaning or content, it's just not worth it.

Some, many, certain , a few, a portion, a percentage, they are all inexact terms to qualify that I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT ALL!

Next time you do this shit, don't expect a reply to the post, it's to trivial an insipid to deal with.

re-read my first response and think about what I was saying.
And if you want to parse, "too many" is in no way the same as "many".

You said:

so no one needs to accept my statement. They can look for themselves, accept it, or disregard it.

And to FUCKING parse again; "TOO MANY" could include anywhere from 1 to 10,000. How many groups that teach religious extremism is the right amount for you?

I'm done with this shit now.

America is asking too much.

Twitter feed evidence and just making stuff up because it might be true is good enough....even for the MSM as far as Muslims and ISIS are concerned.

Your display of good basic inquiring journalism is what is missing from the American media.

We can either choose to support muslims, and in particular american muslims, or we can choose to stereotype them in negative ways that causes increased marginalization and, potentially, violence.

How hard is it to understand that if ISIS wants a Holy War then maybe America should not join them in agreement?

current position.

Whatever role religion plays in the ideology of these extremists, it is irrelevant to the way we need to deal with them. To make it about religion only hurts the vast majority of those that share the religion, but not the ideology.

a knee-jerk tactic among a certain group of posters here, trotted out every time they need to deflect even well-warranted criticism of religious groups, beliefs or practices, but have no actual basis in fact or decency for doing so.

I pretty much tune it out any more.

that when i see that term again in a reply, i will not respond.

But really they aren't. Misogyny, homophobia, disregard for basic rights, and theocracy abound. What the sunni extremists really have accomplished is to make the shiite theocrats of Iran, Iraq, and Gaza, for example, appear palatable. Heck they make the nationalist secular strongmen of the cold war era - Qaddafi, Hussein, the Assad family, the generals of egypt and algeria seem downright civilized.

non-muslims have proclaimed that here repeatedly and denounced anyone who says otherwise as a bigot. It is all about oppressed minorities seeking equality by lopping off the heads of their oppressors, or anyone else who is nearby.

I didn't know that.

I quoted almost verbatim what was stated here as the primary motivation for groups like ISIS, so I think what I said above is verifiably a true statement, people here have said that. Perhaps you meant that the statement itself is false? I agree that the primary motivation for groups like ISIS is not "an oppressed minority seeking equality". That is inane bullshit.

It is however not what ISIS "wants folks to say", they would prefer that people said what ISIS says, that ISIS's primary motivation is to establish an Islamic caliphate in the region. I agree with ISIS that this is what ISIS intends, this is their primary motivation, and I don't see any reason to pretend that this is not their primary motivation. Why, Fred, should we pretend that ISIS is not trying to establish an Islamic Caliphate?

Or pretend a 325 mile trip over water from Libya to Italy is "just a short boat ride"?

Or pretend the attacks in Libya were ISIS, even when the Libyan government is denying that and saying it is just the same old factions claiming the name to have more impact? Who would know better? The American media?

I trust the voice of Obama to guide me, folks are free to hear whatever voices they want.

I do not pretend to know all the answers and am not outraged when others disagree with me, because at least I have the same facts as Obama.

Stay calm and carry one, ISIS fear is like the Ebola fear, massively overblown by a blown up media.