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AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
1. That's rich coming from a private entity whose monetary value is beyond estimate.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 11:29 AM
Apr 2015
"The Catholic church is the biggest financial power, wealth accumulator and property owner in existence. She is a greater possessor of material riches than any other single institution, corporation, bank, giant trust, government or state of the whole globe. The pope, as the visible ruler of this immense amassment of wealth, is consequently the richest individual of the twentieth century. No one can realistically assess how much he is worth in terms of billions of dollars."


And I say 'rich' without a trace of pun.

Joe Chi Minh

(15,229 posts)
4. That is too pitiful a misrepresentation to even respond to, other
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 12:03 PM
Apr 2015

than to say your personifying of the Church's wealth in the person of the Pope, just knocks it out of the ball-park into lunacy. 'Nuff said.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
6. It attributed it to him as being in control. Which is fully accurate and you know it.
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 12:11 PM
Apr 2015

Just his finance minister, Cardinal George Pell, had a budget of half a million euros last year. The pope is in control of appointments and dismissals to those positions, and no doubt, latitude to deny or adjust funding allocations.

Nowhere does the article I cited claim that money is in his pocket, for spending around town, but he does have singular, unquestionable control over the church hierarchy, and thus, the obscene mass of wealth the church represents.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
2. Its a good position, but I'm not sure it's more than just words.
Wed Apr 1, 2015, 11:33 AM
Apr 2015

I would like to see some action behind it.

Joe Chi Minh

(15,229 posts)
3. That's what I was thinking. We'll
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 11:58 AM
Apr 2015

have to see how it is translated into action. As I'm sure you know, the Church's social doctrine has been called its best-kept secret for a very long time. However, I have high hopes of the Church under Francis' direction. Already Pell, the Aussie cardinal, seems have tackled the financial administration in no uncertain fashion.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
5. I have seen some things that bring me hope as well, and still others
Thu Apr 2, 2015, 12:05 PM
Apr 2015

that are very discouraging.

I am glad to see them out front on economic equality, but sad that they are approving archbishops who have been involved in covering up sexual abuse.

Joe Chi Minh

(15,229 posts)
7. That's a real puzzler, and on the face of it, impossiible to understand.
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 06:44 PM
Apr 2015

I find it difficult to believe that the allegations could be solely driven by financial considerations, and that the accusers are lying. It's not even as if it's just one lad. And so much of the goodwill that has been won by Francis could be jeopardized. A bitter coda it would be to the whole business. Which, oddly enough, makes me wonder if there MAY be a good reason that escapes our imagination.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
8. I am sure that you are right that there is more than we know or will ever know.
Fri Apr 3, 2015, 06:49 PM
Apr 2015

Francis pronounced a "zero tolerance" policy and this just seems to fly in the fact of it. I found the vatican's pronouncements on their decision to proceed very weak and without substance.

More than just looking bad, I think it is rotten to it's core.

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