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cbayer

(146,218 posts)
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 10:50 AM Apr 2015

California Faith Groups Divided Over Right-To-Die Bill

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2015/04/03/397257185/california-faith-groups-divided-over-right-to-die-bill

APRIL 03, 2015 5:03 PM ET

PAULINE BARTOLONE


The Rev. Vernon Holmes leads a Lutheran congregation near Sacramento, Calif., that supports the state's right-to-die bill. He describes his faith as promoting quality of life.
Andrew Nixon/Capital Public Radio

Clergy, more than a lot of people, come face to face with death regularly.

The Rev. Vernon Holmes, for example, leads a Lutheran congregation near Sacramento; the average age of members is 79.

His faith promotes quality of life, Holmes says. And that same faith leads him to challenge the status quo and injustice. His congregation belongs to an advocacy group called California Church Impact, which supports California's bill that would allow the terminally ill to end their own lives with medical assistance.

The state is one of nearly 20 with right-to-die legislation under consideration this year. The measures would legalize prescriptions to speed dying for terminally ill patients.

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AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
1. Good luck fighting the catholics on this. They lied and lied, brought out martin sheen to stump
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 10:55 AM
Apr 2015

against the bill here, etc. It was a hell of a fight.

Shrike47

(6,913 posts)
2. I live in Oregon, where we have a right to die with medical assistance. I am so glad.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 11:01 AM
Apr 2015

If we are going to support free will, this is crucial. Most of us fear the idea of suffering in pain our last few months. When there is no hope for cure, why are we forced to prolong our lives beyond our wishes? Modern medicine can do a lot, but we will all die sometime of something, and I'm damned if I want a few extra months of pain and expense.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
3. Oregon has been on the forefront of this, at least in the US.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 11:11 AM
Apr 2015

There are, of course, other countries that are well ahead of us.

I think it's a patient's rights issue and the options should be numerous.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
4. Religion is the reason they aren't
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 11:31 AM
Apr 2015

If it weren't for rabid religious opposition to right-to-die legislation, there would be no need for this kind of fight. Religion, or the quaintly named "faith community" deserves no credit for any progress made on this issue, when it is and has always been the primary impediment.

That's what religion does to people that nothing else can or does-makes them absolutely determined to force other people to live (and die) according to their moral code, even though they don't share it. A code imposed (they claim) by a "god" whose existence they cannot demonstrate and whose wishes they could not possibly be sure of in any case.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
5. what did Jesus say about suicide?
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 12:03 PM
Apr 2015

Nothing. He said nothing at all about it. But he did talk much about forgiveness, and not judging.

Some Christians interpret the Sixth Commandment against murder as being applicable to suicide also. That is one way that the Old Testament can be viewed, but Jesus talked about replacing the old covenant with the new.

I personally see assisted suicide as a merciful act, and an act of kindness.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
6. This is one of those many issues where scripture can be used to support
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 12:06 PM
Apr 2015

opposite positions.

As usual, I'm going to support those that use an interpretation I agree with and object to those that use an interpretation that I don't agree with.

That goes for all kinds of interpretations, be they religious or not.

-strong proponent of dying with dignity-

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
7. some might call your position
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 12:11 PM
Apr 2015

confirmation bias in action, but I feel that it is more a support of freedom over compulsion. I prefer to lean toward "personal freedom to act" as long as that freedom does not inhibit the freedom of others.

Or, do unto others, as someone once said.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
8. Agree. There are a lot of similarities to the abortion issue.
Sat Apr 4, 2015, 12:16 PM
Apr 2015

This becomes exceedingly complicated on a case by case basis, as family members can have wildly different ideas about a persons right to die.

Living wills - very, very important.

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