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rug

(82,333 posts)
Fri Apr 17, 2015, 09:08 PM Apr 2015

Ask Molly Ringwald: my teacher wants me to delete an atheist picture from social media. Should I?

‘Just think about what you want to share about yourself, and who in your life you deem worthy to have access’


Molly Ringwald
Friday 17 April 2015 11.00 EDT

I am a 12-year-old atheist attending a Christian all-girls’ school. Before I joined, I posted an atheist picture on a social media site. I thought it was fine, until a teacher asked to speak with me. Apparently, a few of my peers had dug up the picture and were concerned enough to show it to her. She asked me to delete it. What should I do?

Personally, I don’t believe your teacher should have the right to make you delete your post. She might if you’ve breached the school rules, but it seems unlikely, since you posted the picture before you even joined the school. If you want to make a stand, I’d reference the United Nations’ Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which states that we have the right to freedom of thought, religion and expression. You can read the entire document online and memorise choice bits. (Hint: see articles 18 and 19.)

But here’s something I find interesting: the same document contains another section about the right to privacy. It was important enough to include in this screed, yet it’s something we willingly forfeit every day through social media. This might seem hopelessly old-fashioned, but I can’t help feeling you digital natives are basically consenting to your own surveillance.

No doubt my feelings are coloured by the fact that I lost a great deal of my own private life when I became a public person at a very young age. Trust me, once your privacy is gone, you never really get it back. The internet has only compounded this phenomenon, exponentially.

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/apr/17/ask-molly-ringwald-teacher-delete-atheist-picture-social-media

She should have asked Judd Nelson.

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Ask Molly Ringwald: my teacher wants me to delete an atheist picture from social media. Should I? (Original Post) rug Apr 2015 OP
What is "an atheist picture" pray tell? Fumesucker Apr 2015 #1
I was wondering the same thing.. nt haikugal Apr 2015 #2
She never said. Maybe it's just a logo. rug Apr 2015 #3
michaelangelo's "the creation of adam" with the circle and slash through god? unblock Apr 2015 #4
Search results for "atheist picture" SecularMotion Apr 2015 #5
Those are too good to take down.... nt haikugal Apr 2015 #6
Definitely.... daleanime Apr 2015 #26
The girl in the third picture down looks like she could use some counseling and/or prayer. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #8
How do you know she's never met those people? Fumesucker Apr 2015 #9
Looks like she's only talking to one christian. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #10
Leave it to you to judge people. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #12
How the hell do YOU know that? mr blur Apr 2015 #13
She might, of course, just be an actress, so we really don't know. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #14
How in the world does that picutre = "blinded by anger" Goblinmonger Apr 2015 #15
That part has more to do with the foul and hateful language, the text. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #18
So is making skepticscott Apr 2015 #25
Have you ever read the bible? Seriously? Like, cover to cover. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #32
The Bible is to Christianity what Citizens United is to Democracy. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #36
With some seventy percent of the population identifying as some sort of christian AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #37
Then I made my point! NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #38
It's not going to safely conduct lightning away from sensitive equipment, that's for sure. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #39
I see this a lot, this confusion and blind anger. AlbertCat Apr 2015 #40
Blinded by anger? SwankyXomb Apr 2015 #30
Agreed! I never saw God as vengeful. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #17
Not Vengeful? Really? Did you miss this part...? NeoGreen Apr 2015 #19
Well there are moments. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #20
Oh, Ok... I'm sure the Amalekites... NeoGreen Apr 2015 #21
I am sure they read DU. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #22
Maybe even as often... NeoGreen Apr 2015 #23
Maybe. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #24
Hard to, being extinct. AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #33
Heaven might have pc's and mobiles. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #34
That would be real funny if the source documentation for your faith didn't claim credit for wiping AtheistCrusader Apr 2015 #35
You think prayer phil89 Apr 2015 #28
Read it again, I think I said "counseling and/or prayer". Prayer doesn't work for everyone. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #29
Cheerful I see. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #16
I need to see the picture. #1 & What does your Mom say? #2 nt littlemissmartypants Apr 2015 #7
I agree with others that "atheist picture" is too vague. cbayer Apr 2015 #11
I think a shorter answer would suffice rurallib Apr 2015 #27
She's 12 years old and in a christian school. cbayer Apr 2015 #31
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
8. The girl in the third picture down looks like she could use some counseling and/or prayer.
Sat Apr 18, 2015, 05:20 PM
Apr 2015

She's potentially got serious anger issues, projecting an awful lot of anger (it appears) toward people she's never met about their beliefs that she doesn't understand using inaccurate attributions.

She's hurting, she's not at peace.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
9. How do you know she's never met those people?
Sat Apr 18, 2015, 07:12 PM
Apr 2015

My guess is that she's met far too many of them and put up with their stupid and arrogant bullshit for too long. Do you think blacks who criticize racism need counseling too?

As Mark Twain said, choose Heaven for climate and Hell for the company.

Eternity spent with the type of asshole who's absolutely convinced that they are going to Heaven would be Hell.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
10. Looks like she's only talking to one christian.
Sat Apr 18, 2015, 07:27 PM
Apr 2015

Last edited Sat Apr 18, 2015, 08:08 PM - Edit history (1)

I know the type, always wanting to "counsel" angry atheists...

I feel minorities are entitled to their anger.

 

mr blur

(7,753 posts)
13. How the hell do YOU know that?
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 10:30 AM
Apr 2015

Absolute nonsense.

Could say something similar about you: "Projecting an awful lot of condescension and arrogance (it appears) toward a person you've never met ".

You're babbling, you're not to be taken seriously.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
14. She might, of course, just be an actress, so we really don't know.
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 10:43 AM
Apr 2015

She might be just fine, spiritually and emotionally.

She might just be portraying someone blinded by anger lashing out irrationally against things she doesn't understand.

So, you may have a point.

Gimme a hug.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
15. How in the world does that picutre = "blinded by anger"
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 11:11 AM
Apr 2015

much less "lashing out irrationally against things she doesn't understand."

Even ignoring the "anger" and "lashing" portion, how the hell do you know from one picture what she does and doesn't understand?

And how do you know she is angry and lashing out? Sometimes realizing that something is only deserving of having the bird flipped to it is a pretty mentally healthy standpoint to take.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
18. That part has more to do with the foul and hateful language, the text.
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 11:49 AM
Apr 2015

Of course it's probably just made-up bullshit.

But, if real, is evidence of a disturbed individual that might benefit from some professional and/or spiritual guidance.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
25. So is making
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 01:09 PM
Apr 2015

diagnoses of people's mental state from something on the internet.

But I'm sure our resident psycho-scold will be along any moment to upbraid you for it, as he does with everyone who tries to characterize people's mental state without a proper clinical evaluation.

Well, ok..not people in his gang of religionista cronies, but at least he's sorta consistent and not hypocritical. Well, ok..maybe not even that, but what can you do?

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
32. Have you ever read the bible? Seriously? Like, cover to cover.
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 02:00 PM
Apr 2015

The claim is technically accurate in every way.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
36. The Bible is to Christianity what Citizens United is to Democracy.
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 02:39 PM
Apr 2015

The troubled woman is lashing out against Christians and "their God".

Her anger might be more well-directed toward the authors of the bible and the bigots who use parts of it to promote their own personal agenda.

Poor thing, very confused, blinded as I said by her anger.

I see this a lot, this confusion and blind anger.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
37. With some seventy percent of the population identifying as some sort of christian
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 02:44 PM
Apr 2015

that's the feeblest denial I've seen all day.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
38. Then I made my point!
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 02:50 PM
Apr 2015

I use the American wire gauge for how well my points are understood.

This one gets a 28 awg for having delivered.

Not too bad, but not a 6 or 4.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
40. I see this a lot, this confusion and blind anger.
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 11:07 AM
Apr 2015

I see the confusion, anger, complete arrogance, and totally wrong conclusions you are displaying a lot too.

Nothing you point to is in that pic.

NeoGreen

(4,031 posts)
19. Not Vengeful? Really? Did you miss this part...?
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 12:17 PM
Apr 2015


Ok, maybe the command to commit genocide doesn't fall under the definition of "vengeance".

Maybe it's a definition thing...

NeoGreen

(4,031 posts)
21. Oh, Ok... I'm sure the Amalekites...
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 12:24 PM
Apr 2015

...feel a lot better knowing that "on the whole", god is not vengeful, except for those few moments here and there.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
35. That would be real funny if the source documentation for your faith didn't claim credit for wiping
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 02:17 PM
Apr 2015

them out.

 

phil89

(1,043 posts)
28. You think prayer
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 01:28 PM
Apr 2015

Will help? Magical thinking isn't a good thing. Also how do you know she's not at peace? Such irrational nonsense is scary.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
29. Read it again, I think I said "counseling and/or prayer". Prayer doesn't work for everyone.
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 01:32 PM
Apr 2015

And, prayer could mean her praying alone, others praying for her, or her with others praying together.

But if she rejects prayer than only the second one makes any sense.

Counseling with a good soul is the alternative.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
11. I agree with others that "atheist picture" is too vague.
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 09:41 AM
Apr 2015

Some of the ones posted above might be ok. Others might be deemed really offensive no matter what they were addressing.

I like Molly Ringwald's answer, thought. I think kids need to be taught early about the potential conflicts between freedom of speech and protecting their own privacy. Many really don't get it.

rurallib

(62,444 posts)
27. I think a shorter answer would suffice
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 01:17 PM
Apr 2015

like - tell your teacher to kiss your ass and mind her own business and respect your privacy.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
31. She's 12 years old and in a christian school.
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 01:58 PM
Apr 2015

I'm not sure that would be the best approach.

Perhaps she will have the opportunity to educate her teachers and peers. Perhaps this could turn into a positive experience for both her and others.

While they may not be receptive, such a hostile approach is likely to eliminate any possibility of that happening.

I wonder where her parents are in all this.

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