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Just think about what you want to share about yourself, and who in your life you deem worthy to have access
Molly Ringwald
Friday 17 April 2015 11.00 EDT
I am a 12-year-old atheist attending a Christian all-girls school. Before I joined, I posted an atheist picture on a social media site. I thought it was fine, until a teacher asked to speak with me. Apparently, a few of my peers had dug up the picture and were concerned enough to show it to her. She asked me to delete it. What should I do?
Personally, I dont believe your teacher should have the right to make you delete your post. She might if youve breached the school rules, but it seems unlikely, since you posted the picture before you even joined the school. If you want to make a stand, Id reference the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which states that we have the right to freedom of thought, religion and expression. You can read the entire document online and memorise choice bits. (Hint: see articles 18 and 19.)
But heres something I find interesting: the same document contains another section about the right to privacy. It was important enough to include in this screed, yet its something we willingly forfeit every day through social media. This might seem hopelessly old-fashioned, but I cant help feeling you digital natives are basically consenting to your own surveillance.
No doubt my feelings are coloured by the fact that I lost a great deal of my own private life when I became a public person at a very young age. Trust me, once your privacy is gone, you never really get it back. The internet has only compounded this phenomenon, exponentially.
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/apr/17/ask-molly-ringwald-teacher-delete-atheist-picture-social-media
She should have asked Judd Nelson.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Dawkins?
The FSM?
haikugal
(6,476 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)unblock
(52,309 posts)"pray" tell
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)haikugal
(6,476 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)I want a T-shirt of the last one.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)She's potentially got serious anger issues, projecting an awful lot of anger (it appears) toward people she's never met about their beliefs that she doesn't understand using inaccurate attributions.
She's hurting, she's not at peace.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)My guess is that she's met far too many of them and put up with their stupid and arrogant bullshit for too long. Do you think blacks who criticize racism need counseling too?
As Mark Twain said, choose Heaven for climate and Hell for the company.
Eternity spent with the type of asshole who's absolutely convinced that they are going to Heaven would be Hell.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Last edited Sat Apr 18, 2015, 08:08 PM - Edit history (1)
I know the type, always wanting to "counsel" angry atheists...
I feel minorities are entitled to their anger.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)mr blur
(7,753 posts)Absolute nonsense.
Could say something similar about you: "Projecting an awful lot of condescension and arrogance (it appears) toward a person you've never met ".
You're babbling, you're not to be taken seriously.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)She might be just fine, spiritually and emotionally.
She might just be portraying someone blinded by anger lashing out irrationally against things she doesn't understand.
So, you may have a point.
Gimme a hug.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)much less "lashing out irrationally against things she doesn't understand."
Even ignoring the "anger" and "lashing" portion, how the hell do you know from one picture what she does and doesn't understand?
And how do you know she is angry and lashing out? Sometimes realizing that something is only deserving of having the bird flipped to it is a pretty mentally healthy standpoint to take.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Of course it's probably just made-up bullshit.
But, if real, is evidence of a disturbed individual that might benefit from some professional and/or spiritual guidance.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)diagnoses of people's mental state from something on the internet.
But I'm sure our resident psycho-scold will be along any moment to upbraid you for it, as he does with everyone who tries to characterize people's mental state without a proper clinical evaluation.
Well, ok..not people in his gang of religionista cronies, but at least he's sorta consistent and not hypocritical. Well, ok..maybe not even that, but what can you do?
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)The claim is technically accurate in every way.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)The troubled woman is lashing out against Christians and "their God".
Her anger might be more well-directed toward the authors of the bible and the bigots who use parts of it to promote their own personal agenda.
Poor thing, very confused, blinded as I said by her anger.
I see this a lot, this confusion and blind anger.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)that's the feeblest denial I've seen all day.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)I use the American wire gauge for how well my points are understood.
This one gets a 28 awg for having delivered.
Not too bad, but not a 6 or 4.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)I see the confusion, anger, complete arrogance, and totally wrong conclusions you are displaying a lot too.
Nothing you point to is in that pic.
SwankyXomb
(2,030 posts)She looks pretty cheerful in the picture.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)NeoGreen
(4,031 posts)Ok, maybe the command to commit genocide doesn't fall under the definition of "vengeance".
Maybe it's a definition thing...
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)But on the whole I say no.
NeoGreen
(4,031 posts)...feel a lot better knowing that "on the whole", god is not vengeful, except for those few moments here and there.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)NeoGreen
(4,031 posts)...as god hears a prayer.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)them out.
phil89
(1,043 posts)Will help? Magical thinking isn't a good thing. Also how do you know she's not at peace? Such irrational nonsense is scary.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)And, prayer could mean her praying alone, others praying for her, or her with others praying together.
But if she rejects prayer than only the second one makes any sense.
Counseling with a good soul is the alternative.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)littlemissmartypants
(22,747 posts)cbayer
(146,218 posts)Some of the ones posted above might be ok. Others might be deemed really offensive no matter what they were addressing.
I like Molly Ringwald's answer, thought. I think kids need to be taught early about the potential conflicts between freedom of speech and protecting their own privacy. Many really don't get it.
rurallib
(62,444 posts)like - tell your teacher to kiss your ass and mind her own business and respect your privacy.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)I'm not sure that would be the best approach.
Perhaps she will have the opportunity to educate her teachers and peers. Perhaps this could turn into a positive experience for both her and others.
While they may not be receptive, such a hostile approach is likely to eliminate any possibility of that happening.
I wonder where her parents are in all this.