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Related: About this forumAn Atheist Church of Bacon Lovers Can’t Believe Banks Won’t Take It Seriously
By Munchies Staff
April 20, 2015 / 6:00 pm
The United Church of Bacon doesnt get it: Why is it so damn hard to be taken seriously as a religious organization when your central deity is a slab of cured pork belly?
After all, there are plenty of bacon-worshippers who may not personally ascribe to the meat in a religious setting but who bow before it at breakfast, lunch, and dinner. There are gun-totin Mericans who like to fry it on the barrels of their assault rifles, Japanese fake-food artists who spend years perfecting its visual intricacies, inventors who hope to reinvent it in non-porcine forms, and even vegetarian chefs who vouch for cooking it regardless of their own diets. Lets be honest: bacon is kind of a god.
The United Church of Bacon isnt really concerned with gods, thoughat least not in the traditional sense. It is a real, legally recognized church with some 4,000 members, but its central aims are less monotheistic and more atheistic.
See, the United Church of Baconfounded in 2010 by Las Vegas-based ex-Marine John Whitesidestill believes in charity, weddings, and compassion, but selected bacon as its central theme as a means of creating focus on the experiential aspects of life rather than, in its words, the supernatural. In the mission statement and beliefs outline on its website, the Church explains, We are skeptics and atheists. In our religion, we doubt religion. And considering its small size, the church has done its fair share of social goodness, raising close to $100,000 for an assortment of charities in 2014 (on top of, err, hosting a Burning Man event and [stopping] illegal and dangerous parking at Calvary Chapel Spring Valley). The UCB describes itself as one of the fastest growing new religions in the worldand one of its biggest goals is to end discrimination towards atheists.
http://munchies.vice.com/articles/an-atheist-church-of-bacon-lovers-cant-believe-banks-wont-take-it-seriously
http://unitedchurchofbacon.org/
FBaggins
(26,737 posts)It could be as simple as the customer not understanding how notarization works. Without knowing what the document was and what was being notarized, we can't tell. I suspect that's intentional.
Given the petition, it's almost certainly the case the the incident was staged with this outcome as their intent.
On edit - from their updated petition site
Now Wells Fargo discriminates against atheists, and I can prove it.
Yep... now we know why he did it.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)You're not notarizing the content or authenticity of the document, you're attesting to the fact you signed it with a certified third party witness.
I have authored plenty of forms of my own design and had them notarized. The process authenticates who I am, and attests that I am the person signing the document, and the date and time it is signed. That's all.
FBaggins
(26,737 posts)The process authenticates who I am, and attests that I am the person signing the document, and the date and time it is signed. That's all.
That's exactly correct... but we don't know that that's what he asked for. The signature might have been "Pork Pope" the first time he presented it. He doesn't even claim that the person said anything that indicated discriminatory intent... he just claims that that's the only possible reason.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)I'll ask him.
Edit: Here's their press kit for the protest.
http://unitedchurchofbacon.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Wells-Fargo-Protest-Media-Kit.pdf
Edit: Found more details, see post 7
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)cbayer
(146,218 posts)Clearly if he were refused services because he is representing an atheist organization, that would be illegal.
Here is the statement from Wells Fargo:
I truly hope this is not a stunt, but a legitimate complaint.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)The protest is to get Wells Fargo to provide non-discrimination training to its employees, and to apologize. So far WF corporate has stonewalled it.
The fact that a different branch was willing to notarize it tells me there was nothing wrong with the document/request, and instead, a problem with the notary refusing to do his or her job/affirmation as a Notary Public.
FBaggins
(26,737 posts)Last edited Tue Apr 21, 2015, 02:38 PM - Edit history (1)
Here's what I would tell him. I don't work for WF, but I know lots of people who worked for a culturally moderate/conservative bank in the southeast that they acquired not so many years ago. There was a complete change to a far more progressive culture. They actively target minority groups for their customer base (running their wagon in gay pride parades, etc) and perform lots of anti-discrimination training for their employees. I could give lots of examples... but they all boil down to it not (IMO) being credible that the company overall has a problem in this area... particularly with him pumping this agressively when even the claimed harm was negligible - while he gives few relevant details.
Three things appear more likely to me:
1 - They have deep pockets (enough said)
2 - This provides lots of exposure for him and/or the church
3 - Most charitably for him... perhaps the notary mistakenly thought that it was a prank/joke
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)So deep pockets in this case, doesn't really hold water.
Exposure sure, but for a non-profit, meh as a conflict of interest.
TM99
(8,352 posts)New Atheism abounds with stunts and blather.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)A series of stunts and a lot of blather.
It's just that the closer you are to the beginning of the religion the easier it is to see the stunts and blather for what they are.
TM99
(8,352 posts)You know that.
This is not the beginning of a religious movement. You also know that.
It is just another adolescent game. I bet you know that as well if you will admit it.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)Is stunts and blather? Kind of a dickish thing to say. If they instead amassed garish amounts of wealth like the RCC, would you take them seriously and defend any bigotry out of their mouth? You're a piece of work.
rug
(82,333 posts)This disingenous post is the real piece of work.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)and it's people like you who cause these things to happen. If only people would accept that atheists are people and deserve the same rights, not a lesson.
TM99
(8,352 posts)People like me?
You mean an atheist?
What rights pray tell do atheists not have?
As I have been one my whole life, I am hard press to thing of any rights that I do not have that someone say who is religious does.
MellowDem
(5,018 posts)A sacred subject.
struggle4progress
(118,282 posts)It seems somewhat juvenile and sophomoric to me
rug
(82,333 posts)These attempts to deflect are hilarious. Baconistas.