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cbayer

(146,218 posts)
Tue May 5, 2015, 10:01 AM May 2015

Pamela Geller in Brooklyn: Free Speech, Hate Speech, and the Futility of Arguing with a Bigot

http://religiondispatches.org/pamela-geller-in-brooklyn-free-speech-hate-speech-and-the-futility-of-arguing-with-a-bigot/



Pamela Geller at Brooklyn College on April 22, 2015.

Author’s Note: I wrote this article before the tragic and unacceptable attack in Garland, Texas, last night, at an event associated with Pamela Geller. Given what happened, and the conversation around Islam and free speech, I asked the editors to go ahead and publish my original article—because it shows that I, a Muslim, went to her event, heard her out, and then came home. It should be noted that this was the exact approach taken by every mosque in the Garland, Texas, area: To not only respect Geller’s right to free speech, but to decline their own right to peacefully protest.

Wednesday, April 22, 2015
6:24pm

They’ve already started lining up, braving the rain. I take a good long look at the lot of them, drenched but energized, and know I can’t. I don’t even have an umbrella. I do however have an RSVP. I’ll wait it out at the closest Starbucks.

6:27

My Starbucks name is Dwayne.

6:30

There’s a long line here too, full of bored coeds fiddling with their phones. I debate ordering a classic coffee cake, still one week away from discovering that ‘coffee cake’ isn’t a kind of cake made with coffee, just cake you eat with coffee.

It doesn’t seem like anyone here (most of whom are Brooklyn College students) has any idea she’s speaking, or even I’d guess who she even is. Not to mention that the title of her event, ‘The First Amendment and Social Criticism,’ sounds like a snoozefest.

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Pamela Geller in Brooklyn: Free Speech, Hate Speech, and the Futility of Arguing with a Bigot (Original Post) cbayer May 2015 OP
It's too bad you have fallen for the ruse. n/t trotsky May 2015 #1
So I'm confused Goblinmonger May 2015 #2
Apparently more than one muslim. Warren Stupidity May 2015 #3
Some of my favorite lines: Goblinmonger May 2015 #4
So simplistic. trotsky May 2015 #5
Yes, what the usual suspects are desperate to obscure here skepticscott May 2015 #6
Pam is a bigot. Case closed, religion is great, everybody move along. Yorktown May 2015 #7
 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
2. So I'm confused
Tue May 5, 2015, 10:38 AM
May 2015

A Muslim went to one of her events and didn't just start shooting people? I mean, I thought that was the point of every Geller event.

Never ceases to amaze me what progressives will say.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
4. Some of my favorite lines:
Tue May 5, 2015, 10:53 AM
May 2015
But he has the right to encourage hate speech.


During which the moderator pronounces ‘academia’ as if it rhymes with ‘macadamia.’ (Hey, it’s a free country.)


It’s like I’ve come across an old friend, one who once made my life difficult and still does, though I’m rather less frustrated by her now. Because she’s exactly the same—and I’m not.


The reason Pamela’s not invited to speak on campuses is because people find her offensive or uninteresting. We may not trust peer review, but we can trust the market.


If it’s not obvious, I don’t like Geller, and note the irony of her being treated in the way she treats Muslims—offensively and derisively. She wants to protect the right to offend: She can’t protest being offended. But she doesn’t appreciate her own medicine. She’s not us, and we’re not her.



trotsky

(49,533 posts)
5. So simplistic.
Tue May 5, 2015, 11:22 AM
May 2015

Establish that Pam Geller is not a nice person. There, now we don't have to worry about the sticky free speech vs. religious sensibilities issue. Black and white. Pam is a bigot. Case closed, religion is great, everybody move along.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
6. Yes, what the usual suspects are desperate to obscure here
Tue May 5, 2015, 01:52 PM
May 2015

Is that religious people, motivated by the dictates of their faith as they saw it, thought that murdering people over hurt feelings about that faith was A-OK. Again.

That's what's gnawing at them, and that's why they've gone to such lengths to try to blame or smear anyone but the actual attackers here, including other DUers.

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
7. Pam is a bigot. Case closed, religion is great, everybody move along.
Wed May 6, 2015, 01:38 AM
May 2015

Excellent summary of what has been flourishing all over DU.

Tarnish Geller, focus on her style, obscure her fears, conclude religion is innocuous.

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