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AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
Tue May 5, 2015, 03:46 PM May 2015

Norway’s ‘We’re Sorry’ Monument to 91 Dead Witches

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/05/03/norway-s-we-re-sorry-monument-to-91-dead-witches.html?source=TDB&via=FB_Page

The town of Vardø, known as ‘the witch capital of Norway,’ has built a monument dedicated to the memory of the men and women who were burnt or tortured to death, accused of sorcery.

The site of one of Europe’s most brutal witch hunts has been transformed into a modernist memorial monument, perched above the Arctic Circle on the rugged coast of Norway’s most northeastern tip.

As Europe killed more than 40,000 people accused of sorcery in the 17th and 18th centuries, there were vicious witch trials taking place at the edge of the earth, in Norway’s tiny fishing villages.

Right off the crashing waves of the Barents Sea is the remote town of Vardø, known as the “witch capital of Norway.”


tl;dr killed a bunch of people for being accused of having proscribed imaginary powers according to the Abrahamic faith. Witches are real, biblical depictions of 'magic' are not. 'mistakes were made'.
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Norway’s ‘We’re Sorry’ Monument to 91 Dead Witches (Original Post) AtheistCrusader May 2015 OP
Interesting post. Thank you. guillaumeb May 2015 #1
It's an architecturally interesting monument too. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #2
spirit house and symbolic longship? guillaumeb May 2015 #4
That is how I interpret it. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #7
Perhaps the chair evokes the torture guillaumeb May 2015 #19
Thanks for Posting! Sherman A1 May 2015 #3
Encouraging belief in demonic possession has increased persecution of witches in africa. Warren Stupidity May 2015 #5
Maybe in 400 years we'll see nice, tasteful 'sorry about that' monuments springing up AtheistCrusader May 2015 #6
"the papal recognition of the Association of Exorcists... is a huge setback" trotsky May 2015 #14
As usual, the important historical questions involve peculiarities of time and place struggle4progress May 2015 #8
tl;dr Christians believe in imaginary enemies and have murdered real people out of that fear. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #10
The phenomenon in Norway overwhelmingly occurs in the arctic regions, and mostly struggle4progress May 2015 #11
And what? AtheistCrusader May 2015 #12
tldr struggle4progress May 2015 #13
I read it. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #15
witch hunts occurred across europe and spread to north america. Warren Stupidity May 2015 #16
Why at THIS place and time, rather than THAT? struggle4progress May 2015 #20
The waxing and waning of various church elements opinions on the issue. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #21
thank you for this information niyad May 2015 #9
There's an eternal flame in it? Iggo May 2015 #17
I read it as a reminder of the method they used to torture and murder these victims. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #18

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
1. Interesting post. Thank you.
Tue May 5, 2015, 03:55 PM
May 2015

Also from the link:
"At least 91 people, both men and women, were found guilty of sorcery and burned at the stake or tortured to death.
The number may not be as large as elsewhere in Europe, but in northern Norway’s sparsely populated landscape it touched a disproportionately large chunk of the population.
About a third of these trials were specifically targeting Norway’s indigenous Sami population who arose suspicion by practicing traditional healing rituals."

Sounds like another example of Christianity driving out religious "competitors" so to speak, who were possibly practicing a pre-existing folk religion. Interesting also about the ethnic difference between the colonizers and the indigenous.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
2. It's an architecturally interesting monument too.
Tue May 5, 2015, 04:00 PM
May 2015

The photo in the article isn't great.




and then the long piece outside

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
7. That is how I interpret it.
Tue May 5, 2015, 06:43 PM
May 2015

Last edited Wed May 6, 2015, 02:17 AM - Edit history (1)

Bit of a language barrier on the other article I read, but yes, I think that's what it is.

I liked the mirrors and the fire/chair in the center.
Chair has a 'you don't want to be this poor bastard' vibe to it.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
19. Perhaps the chair evokes the torture
Wed May 6, 2015, 06:49 PM
May 2015

that was a necessary component of the "inquisition" into the matter of witchcraft. Great art piece on multiple levels.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
5. Encouraging belief in demonic possession has increased persecution of witches in africa.
Tue May 5, 2015, 06:28 PM
May 2015

The radically conservative catholic clergy of africa have managed to rekindle witch killings in regions where it was dying out. As the growth of the RCC is being driven in large part by africa these days, Rome just plays along.


At a time when the UN and the international community are exploring ways of tackling horrific abuses related to belief in witchcraft, the papal recognition of the Association of Exorcists (comprising 250 priests in 30 countries) is a huge setback. It dims the prospects of making witch-hunting history in Africa. In fact, Vatican’s approval of exorcism will end up legitimizing this abusive process. Going by the current trend in witch persecution, the region is going to experience more witch-hunts not fewer.

Witch-hunting is believed to be a form of exorcism
This is because millions of Africans are Catholic, 177 million of the global total of 1.2 billion, according to the World Christian Database. They look to the Vatican for guidance in the practice of their faith. So the decision by the pope to recognise exorcism sends very disturbing signals. Many will interpret this development to mean an endorsement of witch-hunting because witch-hunting is believed to be a form of exorcism.


http://thisisafrica.me/vatican-exorcism-witch-hunting-africa/

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
6. Maybe in 400 years we'll see nice, tasteful 'sorry about that' monuments springing up
Tue May 5, 2015, 06:42 PM
May 2015

in Africa as well.

I doubt we'll ever see one in the Holy See.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
14. "the papal recognition of the Association of Exorcists... is a huge setback"
Wed May 6, 2015, 11:51 AM
May 2015

No shit. Hard to believe we have a few vocal DUers who think there's nothing wrong with exorcisms.

struggle4progress

(118,285 posts)
8. As usual, the important historical questions involve peculiarities of time and place
Tue May 5, 2015, 09:05 PM
May 2015
The Witch Trials - Vardø Witch Trials (Norway, 1662 - 1663)
The witch trials at Vardø in Finnmark, northern Norway, during the winter of 1662 - 1663, was one of the largest in Scandinavia. Thirty people were put on trial, accused of sorcery and of making pacts with the Devil. Eighteen were burned alive at the stake, two were tortured to death and one was sentenced to the workhouse. Much of the evidence came from accused children, and there was a complicated trail of accusations and implications ...


Arctic witch hunt at the 'gates of hell'
Even though less than one percent of Norway's population lived in Finnmark during the time of the witch hunts, 31 percent of all of the country's witch hunt executions took place there ...

The root of the Finfolk myth
... Norway was, and still is, home to two distinctly different people - the Norwegians, and the indigenous inhabitants of Northern Scandinavia, the Saami ... The Saami led a nomadic life, with a completely different culture and society to that of their Norwegian neighbours ...

Sápmi and the Sami
The land of the Sami, called Sápmi in their own language (parts of it also known as ‘Lapland’), spans Arctic Sweden, Norway, Finland and Russia.

Sweden's Saami Policy 1550
... Prior to 1550, only parts of Swedish Sapmi were subjugated by the Swedish Crown. Gustav Vasa, King of Sweden from 1523 until 1560, placed Sapmi under royal administration in 1550 and this was the start of royal taxes on fur, fish, and other products ... Settlers moved north to Sapmi, were exempt from taxes for fifteen years, and did not even have to consult the Saami when choosing what land to settle ... In 1611, after the death of Karl IX, the Swedish Crown lost interest in Sapmi and focused its attention on the Baltic area, at least until the discovery of silver ore at Nasafjäll in Swedish Sapmi ... According to the Lappmark Edict of 1673, the Saami “are lazy and useless in war” ...

Important years in Sami history
1542: The Swedish King Gustav Vasa declares that 'All unused lands belongs to God, us and the Swedish Crown' ...
1635: The mine in Nasafjäll is opened ... This slavemine is perhaps the worst atrocity committed by the Swedish government. Many Sami's flee from the the area, so a large part of the provinces previously used by Pite and Lule Sami is depopulated. The government sends troops to prevent the Sami's from fleeing ...

The Witchcraft Trials in Finnmark, Northern Norway – A Survey
Norwegians and Samis lived side by side in seventeenth-century Finnmark ... The worst hit group during the witch-hunt was that of Norwegian women ... When looking at women as a group, most of those sentenced to the stake in Finnmark were Norwegian. A different picture applies to men: Out of 24 accused men, 16 were Samis, and as many as 13 of them lost their lives ...

Lars Nilsson
... in Norway ... at least 26 Samis were put on trial for witchcraft. They were often hired by local non-Sami, who thought they could affect the weather ...

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
10. tl;dr Christians believe in imaginary enemies and have murdered real people out of that fear.
Wed May 6, 2015, 02:16 AM
May 2015

Imaginary friends. Imaginary enemies. I'm seeing a common thread.

struggle4progress

(118,285 posts)
11. The phenomenon in Norway overwhelmingly occurs in the arctic regions, and mostly
Wed May 6, 2015, 07:30 AM
May 2015

in the seventeenth century, more than 500 years after the Christianization of the country. Natural scientific curiosity should lead us to searching for explanations of these time and place particularities

Barons, witch hunts and miscarriage of justice in 17th Century Finnmark
By Ole Lindhartsen
... If residence is deemed the cause of the distribution of witch accusations in Vardø and Kiberg alone, we find that of 137 cases in the county in total, there were as many as 39 cases spread amongst panics and single processes in this area. If you add villages like Store and Lille Ekkerøy, Vadsø, Syltevik, Makkaur, Hamningberg and Andersby, the combined number of cases in this area was 98, of which 57 were panics. These locations are, as I see it, in the vicinity of Vardø, despite the distances being great in a European context. The greatest distance is found between Vardø and Andersby, namely 80 km. So the Finnmark Cases show a great concentration of cases in the geographical vicinity of the central power’s administrative centre, Vardø. In other words, living in or around Vardø was dangerous ... The district system was made so that the barons could live off their lands, and it can be roughly stated that a district with a poor returns on all levels also meant poor income for the baron ... The barons in the worse districts could have used the witch processes to show the central powers in Copenhagen their brilliant administrative abilities and right-mindedness in the universal battle against evil. They could in other words have displayed themselves as the elaborate long arm of theology. Then they could hope for an allocation to districts in “nicer” parts of the twin kingdoms, and thus an increased income. Such speculations have a relatively solid foundation in actual conditions. There is absolutely no doubt that every time a new baron was instated in Finnmark in the period 1619-1665, there was a new wave of persecution. This couldn’t possibly be a coincidence ... Immediately after the hiring of John Cunningham (Hans Kønig) in 1619, the first witchcraft panic commenced in 1621, probably with preliminary studies in 1620. This included charges against 10 women. The name of the next baron was Jørgen Friis, who was appointed in 1651. He “debuted” with charges against 17 women. The third baron during the witch persecution period was Christopher Orning, who “ruled” in the period 1661-1665. The greatest witchcraft panic lasted from 1661 to 1663, with 28 women being targeted, whereof 6 were little girls ... In Finnmark we have the following ranking of lower count material: 1) shipwrecks, 2) death of people, 3) human illness. In the Finnmark processes, there’s also a very particular category, namely that of injury to the baron, which here arrives at a split fourth place together with death of cattle ...

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
15. I read it.
Wed May 6, 2015, 12:19 PM
May 2015

What's your point? That this is a geographic peculiarity?

Please. The Abrahamic faith insists that demons and witches are real in the sense of actual supernatural powers. Small surprise some gullible people somewhere and at times will either embrace it, or use it as a weapon against other people.

The Abrahamic tradition provided the weapon.

We are led to draw the same conclusion from the attitude of the early Church. Probably that attitude was not a little influenced by the criminal legislation of the Empire as well as by Jewish feeling. The law of the Twelve Tables already assumes the reality of magical powers, and the terms of the frequent references in Horace to Canidia allow us to see the odium in which such sorceresses were held. Under the Empire, in the third century, the punishment of burning alive was enacted by the State against witches who compassed another person's death through their enchantments (Julius Paulus, "Sent.", V, 23, 17). The ecclesiastical legislation followed a similar but milder course. The Council of Elvira (306), can. vi, refused the holy Viaticum to those who had killed a man by a spell (per maleficium) and adds the reason that such a crime could not be effected "without idolatry"; which probably means without the aid of the Devil, devil worship and idolatry being then convertible terms.


struggle4progress

(118,285 posts)
20. Why at THIS place and time, rather than THAT?
Thu May 7, 2015, 07:33 AM
May 2015

In England, for example, executions for witchcraft are very largely a seventeenth century phenomenon -- but England was christianized a thousand years earlier

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
21. The waxing and waning of various church elements opinions on the issue.
Thu May 7, 2015, 10:34 AM
May 2015
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch-hunt#Early_Modern_Europe

Prior various church/state combinations variously offered opinions that it wasn't real, wasn't reliable, torture was prohibited, etc. Opinions shifted.

Various individuals found it politically expedient to leverage claims of witchcraft and sorcery, like this crazy asshole: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernardino_of_Siena

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
18. I read it as a reminder of the method they used to torture and murder these victims.
Wed May 6, 2015, 02:55 PM
May 2015

I wouldn't want to sit on that chair. And that's not even the full horror of how they did it.

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