it's been a long time since i entered their castles, but if i remember correctly, they appeared to spend more on design then they did on helping those most in need.

when they deliberately exclude a sizable portion of the population?

In PICO's congregation-community model, congregations of all denominations and faiths serve as the institutional base for community organizations. Rather than bring people together simply based on common issues like housing or education, the faith-based or broad-based organizing model makes values and relationships the glue that holds organizations together.

Which would be quite odd considering that the only base definition of an atheist is one who does not believe in a god.

"congregations of all denominations and faiths serve as the institutional base for community organizations"

"the faith-based or broad-based organizing model makes values and relationships the glue that holds organizations together."

While you are asking them about their organizational affiliations, don't forget to ask them about their values.

Reading the PICO information, it does not appear to be welcoming to anyone who isn't a regular churchgoer of some kind.

It's fine they are doing good work, but I feel it is DISINGENUOUS of them to pretend to be a true community organization when they are restricting off the bat who is welcome to participate.

And contact information.

Find your location and contact them.

Post here if they reject you.

Assuming you are not disingenuous.

regarding your "corrections" of their information, I'll contact PICO.

Deal?

On edit: the only participant in my state says on their website:

"...for congregations, clergy, and people of faith to act collectively and powerfully towards racial and economic equity"

Yep, I'm sure I'm welcome.

they both employ non-Catholics and welcome volunteers who, like Obama, are not Catholic.

Call them up and volunteer, if you want. Don't pretend you aren't welcome when you haven't even tried.

Sorry, as an atheist I forgot I am supposed to shut up and defer to the religious.

that some Congregations served as the "institutional base" for these organizations -- meaning, they founded them. That doesn't mean they exclude non-religious people, either as paid-employees, volunteer employees, or recipients of services.

You aren't being excluded.

and clients that are equally diverse.

You've attempted to change the subject.

Good day!

However, there are organizations of atheists. They're free to found community service organizations based on their beliefs -- or lack thereof. Maybe they already have. Can you point to any?

non-chess-players?

By non-jeans-wearers?

Let me know when you do and then you'll have scored an incredible rhetorical point! Until then, your request is meaningless.

of religious organizations that offer community services.

Atheists are free to establish their own organizations to do so, if they are so inclined.

I made no requests about leadership, I merely wanted to point out the language of exclusion - that PICO expressly states they organize via church congregations, which excludes atheists (and anyone else who doesn't belong to a church).

And my request to you stands. When you provide me an organization established by non-stamp-collectors, I will respond to you. Hopefully you are able to make the connection here.

Thanks and have a great day.

Which won't be tax exempt....

whether or not they have a religious connection.

The progressive and liberal wings of the church have had a hard time digging out from underneath the incredibly loud voices of the religious right, but they are doing it nonetheless.

What they appear to have done here is criticise Ryan for using his faith to "justify the impoverishment of the very young, the very old and the sick in order to enrich the wealthy”.

Kudos to them.

There are thousands of them, all over the country.

I would like to see Christian (with a big "C&quot organizations demand that Ryan square his clearly christian (with a small "C&quot faith with his admiration of ayn rand "philosophy."

The two are impossibly inreconcilable.

ryan is not capable of understanding that point.

Jesus' mouth condemned that world.

Baloney.

She was an atheist. She was uber-selfish.

That is not the world Jesus was born into. He was born into a world full of superstitions, and that's what he continued to preach. All of Jesus' notions... including turning the other cheek, can be found elsewhere. His cult became useful to the Roman Empire, and thus we have it today.

It's kinda like Luther. Lots of folks decried the state of the Catholic church before Luther... they just got burned at the stake. But Luther came along at a time that was convenient for German leaders.

Religion is just ancient government.

The only thing worse than a person who tramples on poor and vulnerable people out of straightforward selfishness and indifference, is one who uses religious or moral arguments that trampling on poor and vulnerable people is really Good for Them.

mo

Like fighting for women's reproductive rights.

I have to admit they do seem to care about the poor.