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trotsky

(49,533 posts)
Mon May 18, 2015, 03:04 PM May 2015

Atheist Seeks to Use Religious Freedom Law to Remove ‘In God We Trust’ From U.S. Currency

Oh, snap!

http://christiannews.net/2015/05/18/atheist-seeks-to-use-religious-freedom-law-to-remove-in-god-we-trust-from-u-s-currency/

A prominent atheist is again on a quest to remove the motto ‘In God We Trust’ from American currency after losing attempts to do so thus far, and is now seeking to use the federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA) in his strategy.

As previously reported, atheist Michael Newdow, who has filed numerous suits challenging the mixture of God and government, first submitted a complaint in the Southern District of New York in March 2013, asserting that the motto violates the Establishment Clause of the United States Constitution as it serves to proselytize unbelievers.

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“Challenges to this practice under the Establishment Clause have, so far, failed,” he wrote in a recent guest post on Patheos. “Challenges under RFRA, however, are not as susceptible to misapplication. This is because every Supreme Court justice involved in the three RFRA cases heard to date has agreed that, under RFRA, religious activity may not be substantially burdened without a compelling governmental interest and laws narrowly tailored to serve that interest.”

“There is obviously no compelling government interest in having ‘In God We Trust’ on our money,” Newdow continued. “Accordingly, for those who feel that being forced by the government to carry a message that violates their religious ideals is substantially burdensome, lawsuits are now being prepared…”
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Atheist Seeks to Use Religious Freedom Law to Remove ‘In God We Trust’ From U.S. Currency (Original Post) trotsky May 2015 OP
I hope it is a successful effort. hrmjustin May 2015 #1
I wish they would change it to "In Dog We Trust!" BuckIA May 2015 #2
Why? hrmjustin May 2015 #3
Equal Rights are Human Rights misterhighwasted May 2015 #7
Beer? Nachos? misterhighwasted May 2015 #4
There is no dog Yorktown May 2015 #13
Seem they have a lot of time and money on their hands yeoman6987 May 2015 #5
It presumes that all of the nation trusts in God. hrmjustin May 2015 #6
I guess. With so many homeless I find it hard to give a care about this yeoman6987 May 2015 #10
As I said it is not a top issue for me. hrmjustin May 2015 #11
I know. Agreed. yeoman6987 May 2015 #12
Crap argument. F4lconF16 May 2015 #20
Old discussion yeoman6987 May 2015 #23
It was yesterday. F4lconF16 May 2015 #24
Any objection to returning to the original motto? pokerfan May 2015 #8
I'd be 100% in favor of that. n/t trotsky May 2015 #9
E Pluribus Unum was fine. nt. Yorktown May 2015 #14
That motto was perfect. It never should have changed. (nt) LostOne4Ever May 2015 #17
His track record so far being rather poor, we might expect zilch here too struggle4progress May 2015 #15
The 5th, 9th and 10th Circuit Courts of Appeal have all ruled Leontius May 2015 #16
Thanks for chiming in, Leo. trotsky May 2015 #18
Newdow is not a particularly good lawyer: he now imagines 42 U.S. Code § 2000bb struggle4progress May 2015 #19
When you read the Appeals Courts rulings in the establishment cases Leontius May 2015 #21
yup struggle4progress May 2015 #22
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
5. Seem they have a lot of time and money on their hands
Mon May 18, 2015, 03:24 PM
May 2015

I don't even know where it is located on money. Who cares.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
6. It presumes that all of the nation trusts in God.
Mon May 18, 2015, 03:26 PM
May 2015

Simply not true.

It is not my highrst priority but I supprt the effort.

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
20. Crap argument.
Tue May 19, 2015, 11:32 AM
May 2015

You sound like the people who attack feminists for caring about relatively smaller issues like school dress codes when women are being murdered elsewhere.

This of course also shows your total ignorance of the fact that it is representative of and a symptom of the constant alienation of and systemic oppression of atheists. But I wouldn't expect you to understand that

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
23. Old discussion
Wed May 20, 2015, 01:41 AM
May 2015

I don't go back to old threads once I leane it. Too late to the party. It would have been nice to get your opinion when it was currently discussed. So many other OPs are in discussion now. Good attempt to give an opinion even late.

pokerfan

(27,677 posts)
8. Any objection to returning to the original motto?
Mon May 18, 2015, 04:07 PM
May 2015


The traditionally understood meaning of the phrase was that out of many states (or colonies) emerges a single nation. However, in recent years its meaning has come to suggest that out of many peoples, races, religions, languages, and ancestries has emerged a single people and nation—illustrating the concept of the melting pot.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_pluribus_unum
 

Leontius

(2,270 posts)
16. The 5th, 9th and 10th Circuit Courts of Appeal have all ruled
Mon May 18, 2015, 11:27 PM
May 2015

that this is not an establishment of religion. The Supreme Court has refused to review and has stated that it agrees it is not an establishment of religion.

struggle4progress

(118,285 posts)
19. Newdow is not a particularly good lawyer: he now imagines 42 U.S. Code § 2000bb
Tue May 19, 2015, 11:03 AM
May 2015

gets him somewhere. But that statute reads

.... Government shall not substantially burden a person’s exercise of religion even if the burden results from a rule of general applicability, except ... if it demonstrates that ... the burden ... is in furtherance of a compelling governmental interest; and ... the least restrictive means of furthering that compelling governmental interest ...


It's hard to imagine how a generic unelaborated four word slogan on currency burdens anyone is any substantial way: no one is obliged to recite it or agree to it when using currency; and probably nobody even knows exactly what it means

If the courts allow Newdow to prevail in an RFRA suit against the slogan, then they should also allow suits against almost anything almost anyone finds objectionable on the currency, such as the eye-in-the-pyramid-cap (from the reverse of the Great Seal) found on the back of the dollar bill, which sometimes excites the it's-all-an-illuminati-conspiracy crowd
 

Leontius

(2,270 posts)
21. When you read the Appeals Courts rulings in the establishment cases
Tue May 19, 2015, 04:31 PM
May 2015

you will find that this case will fail for the same line of reasoning the arguments for removal just don't reach the level of proof that it is a violation of law or principle or a substantial and real effect on individual rights.

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