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cbayer

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Sat May 23, 2015, 08:06 AM May 2015

Thou shalt not kill

http://www.economist.com/blogs/erasmus/2015/05/religion-and-death-penalty

Religion and the death penalty

May 23rd 2015, 11:20 BY B.C.



RELIGIOUS faith and capital punishment have always been intertwined. Christianity's primordial event was the execution of its founder, and the same fate was suffered by many of its early teachers. At the same time, putting wrongdoers (or sometimes just wrong thinkers) to death has generally been presented as a sacred imperative. In English history, Thomas Cranmer (burned in 1556) is remembered as a Protestant martyr, and Thomas More (beheaded in 1535) as a Catholic one; in both cases the executioners, as well as the victims, claimed to be following the will of God. The sacred texts of both Judaism (also revered by Christians) and Islam mandate the death penalty in certain circumstances. A famous verse in the Koran lays down that "if anyone kills a person, unless it be [as a punishment] for murder or spreading mischief in the land, it will be as if he kills all people." In other words, it is permissible to take life as retribution for a terrible crime; and "spreading mischief" has been interpreted pretty broadly by Islamic judges, to include apostasy (leaving Islam) and homosexuality. But in one respect, Islamic law is more lenient than many Western codes: it allows the family of a murder victim to forgive, and hence spare from death, a killer.

With all these sacred pronouncements on the subject of execution, we shouldn't be surprised that news stories about capital punishment are often tangled up with issues of faith. Turkey warned a few days ago that the whole Sunni Muslim world would be in turmoil if Egypt carried out a death sentence passed on ousted President Mohammed Morsi and more than 100 fellow members of the Muslim Brotherhood. Last month, when Indonesia executed eight people, including two Australian citizens, for drug trafficking, emotions in Australia ran especially high owing to reports that the convicted men sang Christian hymns as they faced the firing squad. Andrew Chan, one of the Australian convicts, had become a Christian minister during his incarceration.

At the trial that led to a death sentence for Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, who planted a bomb at last year's Boston Marathon, some memorable evidence was given by Sister Helen Prejean (pictured), a Catholic nun who campaigns against the penalty. She described the bomber as a contrite young man who was fully aware of the suffering he had caused. Contemporary Catholic thinking links opposition to the death penalty with a broader concern for the "sanctity of life". Pope Francis unconditionally opposes the death penalty. More liberal Christians cite the story in which Jesus stopped the stoning of an adulterous woman by challenging the person who was "without sin" to cast the first rock.

In America, however, most Christians still support capital punishment. Last year Albert Mohler, one of America's most influential evangelical figures, made an impassioned defence of the death penalty. Quoting the Book of Genesis as well as Saint Paul's injunction to respect earthly authority, he argued that "Christians should hope, pray and strive for a society in which the death penalty, rightly and rarely applied, would make moral sense."

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Thou shalt not kill (Original Post) cbayer May 2015 OP
This journalist isn't clear about which religion initiated what Yorktown May 2015 #1
Anyway, it's not even clear 5:32 condemns killings by muslims Yorktown May 2015 #2
 

Yorktown

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1. This journalist isn't clear about which religion initiated what
Sat May 23, 2015, 11:09 AM
May 2015
A famous verse in the Koran lays down that "if anyone kills a person, unless it be for murder or spreading mischief in the land, it will be as if he kills all people."

This quranic verse 5:32 is one of the most famous examples of the Quran's direct borrowings from the Talmud.
whosoever destroys a single soul, the Torah regards as guilty as though he had destroyed an entire world; and whosoever preserves a single soul the Torah ascribes merit to him as though he had preserved an entire world.
-Talmud Bavli, Sanhedrin 37a

The sentence is attributed to Rabbi Hillel:
"As Hillel the Elder had stated, whosoever destroys a soul, it is considered as if he destroyed an entire world. And whosoever that saves a life, it is considered as if he saved an entire world."
Jerusalem Talmud Sanhedrin 4:1 (22a)


 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
2. Anyway, it's not even clear 5:32 condemns killings by muslims
Sat May 23, 2015, 11:22 AM
May 2015

The exact text actually indicates the prescription "killing one soul is like killing the world" was given by god to the jews:

On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone slew a person - unless it be in retaliation for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew all mankind: and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all humanity.
Qur'an 5:32

But some exegeses by muslim scholars claim not killing your fellow human only applies to muslims:
.....Sa`id bin Jubayr said, "He who allows himself to shed the blood of a Muslim, is like he who allows shedding the blood of all people. He who forbids shedding the blood of one Muslim, is like he who forbids shedding the blood of all people." In addition, Ibn Jurayj said that Al-A`raj said that Mujahid commented on the Ayah, Human Beings Should Respect the Sanctity of Other Human Beings
Tafsir Ibn Kathir
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