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Related: About this forumWhat About the Girls? The Duggar Scandal and the Cost of Fundamentalism
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This is what comes of fundamentalism. And this is not about me railing against conservative brands of faith. Conservatism in belief does not always amount to abusive behavior. But when conservative beliefs (the Duggars are part of the Quiverfull movement) manifest in harmful, toxic systems that allow forand even condonesystemic abuse, then you have fundamentalism. And it comes at a price. Most often, the price is human dignity. And most often, that price is paid by women.
Fundamentalism is how Jim Jones got a tragically large group of people to drink the Kool-aid. (I know that is a really derogatory thing to say now, but this is, most literally, where the saying originated). Fundamentalism is how Waco happened. Fundamentalism is how ISIS continues to grow at an alarming rate.
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And here is a link to an unbelievable story posted this morning by DUer spinbaby.
OP:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026715306
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Spinbaby's post & link. Must Read
. I've posted this tidbit before
This is a good read otherwise, but there's a part that states that the Duggar girls curl their hair because Gothard has a thing for it. Really creepy.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2014/08/an-open-letter-to-duggar-defenders.html
crosspost in Good Reads
cbayer
(146,218 posts)is dangerous at it's core. This is where religion and cult reach that murky grey area, and I agree that it is generally the women and girls that are at most risk.
I would like to think that this much sunshine and exposure will lead to a greater recognition of exactly how heinous this is and that people will stop lauding people like this and start turning on them.
But history shows that I am probably too optimistic. Already there are many who come to their defense or minimize this entire event.
What about the girls? No one seems to be talking about them.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)I think that is true for many people.
What I see going on in our political system, tells me that it is this push from the likes of Gotherd, Duggar, Huckabee, & many others in their circle is why it is necessary to expose them.
I wasn't sure just how the recent and continuous politics of anti-women, anti-LGBT, anti-rights got to be so strong in our legislative system.
The underbelly of this Fundamentalist beast has been at it a long time, through lobbying, media, elections and tax free status of the likes of Mega Churches & Family Research Council, allowing them to go undetected as, not so much a religion but rather a cult that has spread itself to the creation of laws that mirror their twisted belief of exclusion.
This is the American society they are slowly creating.
Tax exempt status needs to be pulled, and the Fundamentalist Cult needs to be watched.
It is quite close to the extremist FLDS and Warren Jeffs.
They are a criminal organization acting as a tax exempt religion.
Expose them and let their "god" deal with them.
I hope the End of Times means the end of their secrecy and their organization.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)they seem to have only grown and become more influential.
Clearly those who want to stop them are doing it wrong.
While I am glad for continuing exposure, I scratch my head when it comes to what we need to do to stop them.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)should no longer be tax exempt.
Family Research Council should not be tax exempt but they are.
I think if they are found to be criminal, it may allow for more leverage against their political influence.
Perhaps but they have well protected themselves.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)Many non-profits exist in order to push particular legislation and many of those groups are pushing legislation that you are probably strongly supportive of.
If you use that as a criteria to remove tax exempt status, you really get into murky waters regarding the 1st amendment.
OTOH, I do think you could make a case that organizations which are found to be involved in criminal activities should have their non-profit status reviewed.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)operation in Texas. I do know they were receiving money from gov't contracts to also fund their "church" along with paying no taxes, and their were a few other ismilar operations they had that raised the Feds eyebrows and opened the whole place to be investigated, top to bottom.
The FLDS compound was doing quite well financially, until they got busted.
I really have not researched any follow up as to the FED investigation. I do know it was a lengthy process.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)I can sure see the similarities here.
If the feds got involved, that could blow this apart.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)I remember the Jim Jones "drink the koolaid" ordeal also, I was pretty young but I remember my mom watching the unfolding of that event with her hands over her mouth & shaking her head.
It must have left an impression because I have a curiosity about cults disguising themselves as religion today & the oppression of their members is always high on my WTF radar.
And when they are exposed it always seems to have that disgusting element of sexuality, and incest, and shunning, and old guys eyeballing little girls. And the women just look away.
Its the thing that makes me just want to get in my car and go rescue those young girls.
Those cults need to be watched every minute.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)We often discuss in this group the difference between religions and cults. Some here see all religions as cults, while other (including myself) see them differently, even thought they may be on a spectrum.
It's important to be able to distinguish, imo. The information you provided in this OP seems to have moved this particular group clearly into the cult section.
I agree wholeheartedly that it is usually young girls that are most at risk in these groups.
cheyanne
(733 posts)The parents have confessed to knowingly hiding child molestation from authorities, and, as far as I can tell, didn't provide any therapy for their daughters and the babysitter. They still have minors living at home with them.
The statute of limitations rules out criminal charges for the molestation, but does this rule out other state agencies from investigating them?
cbayer
(146,218 posts)I also wonder if law enforcement was complicit. They were reportedly informed at the time, but there doesn't appear to have been any action.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)Exactly how the FLDS in Texas (Warren Jeffs) and their same groups in Arizona, Utah, Colorado etc.
Their little towns are built to protect from outsiders, to protect their cult operation & law enforcement is part of it.
It doesn't surprise me that Jimbob Dugger took this situation to his pal in the police force to have it "disappear."
cbayer
(146,218 posts)It's really hard to believe that there are no criminal charges that can be pursued here.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)It would be difficult to get past the fortress of secrecy & lies that surround them, but not impossible to do.
Look at Warren Jeffs & the FLDS case.
They existed in secrecy until one big slip up allowed the authorities to investigate & bust his child porn playground.
This thing with John Duggar may be the big slip up they need.
I am sure it is being looked at.
Tough to do since they all will lie and support the patriarchy god they have been indoctrinated into.
That they all are the chosen and everyone else is the devil.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)To leverage their church community for protection and extrajudicial evasion of their crimes.
He should have gone to juvie, criminal record maintained because it was a sex crime against a child (at least 5), and he should be a registered sex offender.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)Makes my skin crawl that he is protected & defended.
Incest.