Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
16 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
10 Things I Wish Everyone Knew about Unitarian Universalism (Original Post) E_Pluribus_Unitarian Jun 2015 OP
So... gcomeau Jun 2015 #1
Well, not quite Major Nikon Jun 2015 #2
He was a small U Unitarian as safeinOhio Jun 2015 #3
His philosophy certainly did intersect with Unitarianism at times Major Nikon Jun 2015 #6
Here's a piece of advice to UUs skepticscott Jun 2015 #4
LOL! I actually agree with you. kwassa Jun 2015 #5
The theology of UU sucks far less than most Major Nikon Jun 2015 #7
I'd say about safeinOhio Jun 2015 #9
No need to be sorry, since I never said I find any of those points "creepy" skepticscott Jun 2015 #10
I glad you don't find our safeinOhio Jun 2015 #11
Seriously? "Nothing about religious dogma"? skepticscott Jun 2015 #12
I stand by my statement safeinOhio Jun 2015 #13
Seriously. Iggo Jun 2015 #14
I don't really have a problem with UUs skepticscott Jun 2015 #15
Thanks for that. cbayer Jun 2015 #8
I always enjoyed their services when invited by friends. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #16
 

gcomeau

(5,764 posts)
1. So...
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 01:27 PM
Jun 2015
3. We focus on what we know by experience.

Over the past 500 years or so, human beings have come to rely more and more on reason and science as the basis of human knowledge. As a result, religion and its defenders have been engaged in an often-brutal tug-of-war with science and its defenders over what we most truly know.

Unitarian Universalists have ended this test of strength between reason and revelation by letting go of the rope. For us, it’s no contest: if what we know from our experience contradicts what we’re told by an ancient wisdom text, reason trumps revelation every time.



...then what do we need revelation for, exactly?

safeinOhio

(32,680 posts)
3. He was a small U Unitarian as
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 03:28 PM
Jun 2015

the UUs were formed in the early 60s. He didn't see Christ as God. Unitarians didn't believe in the Trinity and Universalist didn't believe in hell. They merged into the UUs later.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
6. His philosophy certainly did intersect with Unitarianism at times
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 12:52 AM
Jun 2015

But he never identified as such in much the same way George Washington embraced parts of Christianity while never identifying as Christian.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
4. Here's a piece of advice to UUs
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 07:15 PM
Jun 2015

Don't try theology. Cause you kinda suck at it. It's bad enough reading that type of muddle from people who are sincerely religious, but reading it from people who have rejected religion for all practical purposes, but who simply don't want to be called atheists and still like to play church on Sundays, is a little creepy.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
5. LOL! I actually agree with you.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 10:59 PM
Jun 2015

Hell, metaphor that it is, has frozen over.

speaking as someone who was a cradle Unitarian.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
7. The theology of UU sucks far less than most
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 12:59 AM
Jun 2015

Christian trinitarianism doesn't even align with their own good book.

safeinOhio

(32,680 posts)
9. I'd say about
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 09:39 AM
Jun 2015

1/8 are atheists and 3/8 agnostics. I don't know where you get your ideas.

The big draw is that people of all beliefs can come together to work for social justice and help communities without pushing a religion.

This is our religious dogma

1st Principle: The inherent worth and dignity of every person;
2nd Principle: Justice, equity and compassion in human relations;
3rd Principle: Acceptance of one another and encouragement to spiritual growth in our congregations;
4th Principle: A free and responsible search for truth and meaning;
5th Principle: The right of conscience and the use of the democratic process within our congregations and in society at large;
6th Principle: The goal of world community with peace, liberty, and justice for all;
7th Principle: Respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part.


Sorry you find that "creepy"

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
10. No need to be sorry, since I never said I find any of those points "creepy"
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 11:09 AM
Jun 2015

That's just something you made up. Go back and read what I wrote again.

In any case, what you've delineated is humanist philosophy (nothing wrong with any of that) maybe with a teeny bit of godishness sprinkled in to keep the atheist haters at bay. If anything is creepy, it's the need to describe it as "religious dogma" and the need to play "church" on Sundays in order to live it out.

safeinOhio

(32,680 posts)
11. I glad you don't find our
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 12:06 PM
Jun 2015

dogma very dogmatic, that is how it's meant.

"simply don't want to be called atheists and still like to play church on Sundays, is a little creepy."

We have a lot of discussions about calling out church a fellowship. As to calling it "playing church", I'm sure many of us who find that statement offensive.

Go back reread what I said. Nothing about "religious dogma", I said our dogma, which I'm sure all UUs would smile about that. We have no atheist haters, we just don't appeal to anti-theist, or religion haters.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
12. Seriously? "Nothing about religious dogma"?
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 12:52 PM
Jun 2015

Here's what you said just above in post 9:

This is our religious dogma

1st Principle: The inherent worth and dignity of every person;
2nd Principle: Justice, equity and compassion in human relations;
3rd Principle: Acceptance of one another and encouragement to spiritual growth in our congregations;
4th Principle: A free and responsible search for truth and meaning;
5th Principle: The right of conscience and the use of the democratic process within our congregations and in society at large;
6th Principle: The goal of world community with peace, liberty, and justice for all;
7th Principle: Respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part.


Hard to understand such blatant and transparent dishonesty, but I see no reason to waste time on further exchanges with you.
 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
15. I don't really have a problem with UUs
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 06:56 PM
Jun 2015

In fact, they're so inoffensive, it's almost an affectation. I just wish they'd own to what they actually are. They have "dogma" but it's not very dogmaish (I'm hoping that's a new word). They have a god, sorta, but it's mainly a concept they had to rename "god". They're not sure they really want to call what they do on Sundays "church", but they get offended when you imply they're just "playing church".



Latest Discussions»Issue Forums»Religion»10 Things I Wish Everyone...