works in strange ways.

Either you get it, or you don't. Either you put humans first, or you put your god/religion first.

Everything is predetermined, predestined. Soviet style. Like a command economy, it requires omniscience and total control, and people are cogs in the machine. WWII, that airplane crash, the choice of food my wife gave the cats this morning all merit not just the same attention from God, but the same amount of control by the Divine Puppetmaster.


Some like a laissez-faire universe. Nothing is predetermined, predestined. American wild-west style. Like a perfectly laissez-faire economy, everybody does what they want without rules and regs.


Others like a mixed economy. Some things are predetermined; most things aren't. Western economic style. There are rules and regs, there's the occasional government intervention, there's the occasional bad guy, but for the most part people do what they want and most mistakes are, well, mistakes.

They still have the problem that the "good" flavored god supposedly created the "bad" flavor. Otherwise they are back to some sort of lesser deities with some agent above them generating these two clowns.

The explanation that works is that god is evil.

of roughly equal power duking it out in the universe, its still his god's fault.

...or won an Academy Award, or Grammy, or whatever.

What's the most arrogant thing you could possibly say? That you were perhaps born with an innate talent for your particular trade, but that your success is largely due to the extremely hard work you put it into it? Or that a magical man up in the sky likes you better than everyone else and has bestowed upon you great wealth and success while hundreds starve to death every fucking day?



And this is why I argue agnosticism is largely situational. I can't disprove god, generally, but I am reasonably certain that the state of the universe refutes the existence of a benevolent, interactive deity.

-Kathy Griffin

(Not arrogant, brilliant!)

express that exact same sentiment here and get told you are some sort of vermin.

And of course believers are totally in touch with feeling about religion in a way atheists never could be. I mean, hell...it's not like any atheists ever went to church or anything.