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Related: About this forumScience and Religion are Compatible. Science and Dogma are Not.
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Nikola Tesla (1856-1943) was a pioneer scientist during the turn of the 20th century. He was best known for his contributions to the design of the modern alternating current (AC) electricity supply system. Tesla was a physicist, mechanical and electric engineer, inventor and futurist, as well as the possessor of a near-eidetic memory. He spoke eight languages and held 300 patents by the end of his life. His legacy has experienced a major resurgence in recent years the name Tesla, as you might have heard, is way in vogue right now as many of his predictions about power and communication have come to fruition.
Tesla was not a particularly religious man, but he had respect for the discipline and sense of meaning at the core of most religions. Below, he explains why science and religion are perfectly compatible... it's dogma that causes the problem:
"There is no conflict between the ideal of religion and the ideal of science, but science is opposed to theological dogmas because science is founded on fact."
It's a shame religion and science tend to be portrayed as always in contention with each other because, deconstructed, they can serve complementary purposes. Sure, religion is more rooted in the pursuit of truth while science is a system of fact-based conjecture, but that doesn't mean they necessarily have to be mutually exclusive.
Pope Francis, for instance, famously echoed the modern Catholic stance that the Church and science can and should coexist. Many scientists have embraced aspects of Buddhism for its emphasis on personal experience, as well as because science and academia has recently taken a major interest in the effects of mindfulness on the brain.
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Warren Stupidity
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about reality and they make conflicting claims about the nature of reality. NOMA is nonsense.
Religious thinking starts from an assumption of knowledge. Religions know how the universe works and proceed to tell us. That knowledge is revealed and irrational. Scientific thinking starts from an assumption of ignorance. Science doesn't know how the universe works, it is instead a process of producing testable falsifiable theories about reality and using repeatable experiments to test those theories. Any knowledge science has is tenuous, it can always be overturned by new experimental evidence. Religious knowledge is instead immutable. It is after all the revealed truth of infallible deities.
When Gould proposed NOMA he ignored the obvious fact that religious thought overlaps with scientific thought. Where an institution like the RCC accepts drawins theory, they do so while overlaying a heaping ration of intelligent design horseshit on top of it, as their cosmology has an earth centric deity guiding the creation of humans "in his image".
Even areas where Gould thought there could be no conflict, ethics in particular, are now a focus of scientific research.
NOMA is nonsense.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)DavidDvorkin
(19,477 posts)skepticscott
(13,029 posts)Parading an Argument from Authority as if it were somehow valid. And you, typically, trumpeting anything that promotes your agenda, no matter how intellectually bankrupt. Not to mention how much you seem to love posting headlines that are deliberate misstatements of what is actually in the article. Not only is something not proven true by the fact that Tesla said it, but "Science and Religion are compatible" is a deeply dishonest version of what he actually did say.
Seriously, do you look at anything you post with a remotely critical eye, or is your only criterion that the opinions expressed must agree with yours? And are you interested in actually discussing facts, or are you going to ignore or alert troll anyone that doesn't fawningly agree with you on this? My bet is on the latter.
rock
(13,218 posts)They are "value based". I.e. here are our values. If you accept my take then there is no conflict because they are interested in non-intersecting concepts.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)I agree tht they are non-intersecting concepts.
David Johanssen just said on his weekly show that if science could disprove god, it surely would have by now.
rock
(13,218 posts)to express what I was saying.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Ah jeez, not this shit again.
Make some testable claims about this alleged god of yours.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)Just more apologist bullshit. The burden is on religion to "prove" god, and if they could (and "liberal" and "progressive" religionistas like you and Johanssen have realized how silly you look when you try), it surely would have by now, right?
And sorry, but science is not about "proof". No one who claims to be a scientist would make such an uninformed statement,
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)On Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:29 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
Science has no need to "disprove" god
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Another rude post in the same thread from a routinely rude poster.
" and "liberal" and "progressive" religionistas like you and Johanssen have realized how silly you look when you try)"
Can he not make a point without resorting to name-calling, not just the poster but an entire group of believers, '"liberal" and "progressive" religionistas', quotes entirely his.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:38 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.
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Explanation: Name calling? Someone needs to grow a thicker skin. This is mild compared to the crude epithets I see here all the time that don't get alerted on.
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Explanation: This argument again. Science is a tool for learning. It's men's faith that bring us to war's. Like the current war on terrorists. Please, some logic.
Your alert lost 7-0. SEVEN to FUCKING ZERO. Grow up, whoever you are, and stop using alerts to fling insults. Or go ahead and alert again, if it makes you feel better. I suspect you're on vacation from DU for getting your own five hides and have nothing else to do.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Calling folks silly. You cotton-headed ninny-muggin.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)You'll hurt my fee-fees.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Heh heh heee
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)again and again. Evolution, Plate tectonics, lightening rods...
God of the gaps is all that's left.
edhopper
(33,579 posts)is left to be disproved?
Science has shown that every act that has been attributed to God in the past has a natural explanation.
bvf
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That's a truly ignorant statement.
ETA: I see Scott already pointed this out earlier--but it bore repeating.
edhopper
(33,579 posts)says the Universe works without a supernatural entity as the cause of anything.
Looks like a conflict to me.
pinto
(106,886 posts)i.e., I'm interested in learning more about it. And visa versa. I think there are correlations, though both remain on different tracks. Yet both, for better or worse, are part of our overall experiences.
Obviously I'm talking about the direct human experience. Not the big bang, Genesis or any other theoretical situation.
edhopper
(33,579 posts)and evolutionarily is interesting. Is it a basic part of the human make up? or is it a combination of multiple parts of man's nature?
Science can find very interesting things about religion and it's place in human culture.
Religion on the other hand should STFU about science. (And yes, even the morals of using scientific results, i would rather look at them with rational ethics than try to decide what someone's God want's done)
pinto
(106,886 posts)And I whole heartedly support that hidebound or coercive dogmas be relegated to the dust bin. There's a learning curve. All endeavors should be open for discussion and a range of opinion. I think that benefits us all.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)He's done a LOT of research on how religions evolve along with society, and how and why they could be evolutionary defense/information propagation/learning tools.
Also, of the 'four horsemen of the counter-apocalypse', he is the most compassionate, and friendly toward people who do believe, so his work might be more approachable.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Then they go and talk about the Pope, head of the church that invented Dogma.
Leontius
(2,270 posts)It's a perfect description of the contribution of several of the posters.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)To me #21 springs forth.
mr blur
(7,753 posts)Specious nonsense.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Science shows us that does not appear to be the case after all.
If there is indeed no truth giver, and the revealed truth is wrong, then there is no conflict between science and religion, because religion is tossed out the airlock as the garbage it is.