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Related: About this forumFrance drops bid to appoint gay Vatican ambassador, reports say
Source: The Guardian
Harriet Sherwood, and Kim Willsher in Paris
Monday 12 October 2015 12.53 BST
France has abandoned attempts to appoint a gay Catholic diplomat as its ambassador to the Vatican after a nine-month standoff, according to French media.
Laurent Stefanini, a widely respected chief of protocol to François Hollande, was named as the French presidents choice to serve as ambassador to the Holy See in January. However, without explicitly rejecting his nomination, the Vatican has not accepted his credentials. A new ambassadors credentials are normally accepted within weeks.
Sources at the Élysée palace told French daily Libération that Hollande had given up his efforts over the appointment. Its dead, a source was quoted as saying.
The move comes amid uncertainty over Pope Franciss stance on homosexuality. Liberal Catholics seized on his statement on homosexuality early in his papacy, when he told reporters: If a person is gay and seeks God and has good will, who am I to judge?
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Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/12/france-drops-bid-to-appoint-gay-vatican-ambassador-laurent-stefanini-reports
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)Anybody uncertain about his stance is just fooling themselves. And if they were using If a person is gay and seeks God and has good will, who am I to judge? to think that he was different than the other popes and RCC hierarchy, they read ONLY that sentence and not the rest of the context.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)We see that happen right fucking here!
trotsky
(49,533 posts)the institutional bigotry of the RCC that dominates politics around the world.
I mean, didn't Dawkins tweet something disrespectful toward religion? That's way worse, so I've heard.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)In fact, we can see this right here on DU. One only need to lift up the rug to see the bigotry being hidden underneath.
Are you clumsily trying to call me a bigot, cleanhippie?
rug
(82,333 posts)Do you think anyone here is stupid? You use that phrase so often you should trademark it.
Instead of feeding your obsession with me, as here,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/123046945#post5
why don't yop have the integrity to attempt a direct insult.
Now, again,
Are you calling me a bigot?
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)There's one way to fix this, rug: stop responding to me.
Here's a song for you.
https://m.
rug
(82,333 posts)Much as you'd prefer your indirect insults go unanswered, you're out of luck.
When you're down putting up youtube smokescreens answer the two questions. If you can summon the integrity to do so without straining yourself.
Remember, cleanhippie, your usual insinuations of DUers being bigots raises questions that demand answers.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Oh, that's right...
rug
(82,333 posts)Oh, I see the name. No wonder.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)I am spared from observing the behavior directly, thankfully.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)IOW, business as usual.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Impotent.
Shysters usually are.
rug
(82,333 posts)And then talk about it.
rug
(82,333 posts)You are transparent.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)All I see are inapt smileys and nonsense.
Yorktown
(2,884 posts)Actually, Francis seems to have a nice personality.
He's the cover boy hiding the pile of horrid dogma.
John Paul II, Francis I, rock stars of inane obscurantism..
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)But that's normal.
Yorktown
(2,884 posts)While the doctrine is the toxic flavoring ingredient in the cake.
Like my new analogy better?
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)I've got one that just keeps buzzing and buzzing...
It's like an obsession or something.
Yorktown
(2,884 posts)I wonder if it was the same?
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Is it generally a giant DB for no apparent reason other than annoyance?
It just may be the same one.
Yorktown
(2,884 posts)Except the DB part which I don't get, there is at least the deflection commonality.
My popeaholic also enjoys using sentences as if he was talking teacher to pupil.
Does yours?
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Peeing in if they were on fire.
Yorktown
(2,884 posts)Or so I heard.
rug
(82,333 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)you may be subject to an accusation of complicity.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Actions louder than words and all that rot.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)When you go to Cathoholics anonymous, do you have to stop believing in a higher power?
Yorktown
(2,884 posts)Pope Francis and the Vatican "gay lobby"10 things to know and share
by Jimmy Akin 06/12/2013 Comments (197)
Did Pope Francis just admit the existence of a "gay lobby" at the Vatican? If so, what will he do about it?
Pope Francis recently made the news by, apparently, acknowledging the existence of a "gay lobby" at the Vatican.
What did he say? What did he mean? And what will he do in the future?
Here are 10 things to know and share . . .
1. What did Pope Francis say?
According to press reports, Pope Francis recently said:
"In the Curia there are holy people, truly, there are holy people. But there's also a current of corruption there's that, too, it's true.... The 'gay lobby' is spoken of, and it's true, that's there... we need to see what we can do.
7. Where have we heard about this before?
One possible member of the gay lobby was outed by the Italian media in 2007. He was swiftly dismissed from his position.
More recently, in the wake of the VatiLeaks scandal, Pope Benedict appointed a commission of three cardinals to conduct an investigation, and in the lead-up to the recent conclave the Italian press began reporting that the commission had turned up evidence of a gay lobby within the Vatican.
Read more: http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/pope-francis-and-the-vatican-gay-lobby10-things-to-know-and-share/#ixzz3oPBk7GAK
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)They've convinced people that he loves the gays because he hugged one.
So what if he wants to prevent them from marrying the people they love or adopting children?
It's the same thing as saying "I have a black/latino/Jewish etc friend so I can't be a bigot!"
Except he can be and is a bigot, one of the worst kind because even though he claims to love lgbt people he uses his influence around the world to prevent them from getting their human rights.
I'd rather be hated by him and have him stay out of my womb.