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rug

(82,333 posts)
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 01:55 PM Jan 2016

Religious freedom and America

Jefferson's heirs still find tyranny easier to define than freedom

Jan 17th 2016, 16:40 by ERASMUS

THIS weekend, some Americans, at least, have been pondering the meaning of religious liberty. January 16th has been designated Religious Freedom Day because it is the anniversary of what Thomas Jefferson regarded as one of his greatest achievements, ranking with the Declaration of Independence: the approval of a statute in his native Virginia which overturned the entrenched status of the Anglican church and set all faiths on an equal footing before the law. Although he was an Anglican himself, of a very free-thinking sort, he admired the integrity of his non-conformist compatriots and came to the view that religious privilege damaged everybody, including the privileged. The statute's opening lines reflect the American founder's mastery of language and clarity of thought.

“Whereas Almighty God hath created the mind free; that all attempts to influence it by temporal punishment or burthens, or by civil incapacitations, tend only to beget habits of hypocrisy and meanness, and are a departure from the plan of the Holy author of our religion, who being Lord both of body and mind, yet chose not to propagate it by coercions on either, as was his Almighty power to do.”

It's probably just coincidence, but this sonorous passage seems to echo a verse in the Koran: "If God had willed, he could surely have made you all one single community, but he willed otherwise in order to test you...." Anyway, whatever inspired them, these well-crafted words about the "hypocrisy and meanness" of faith enforced by state power must rank as one of the eloquent critiques of theocracy ever made.

To mark the anniversary, the chairman of the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF) and one of his fellow commissioners co-signed an op-ed which drew attention to the lamentable—and in many ways worsening—state of religious liberty in the world today. They wrote, for example, that:

“China and North Korea exemplify secular tyrannies that suppress religious groups across the board. Others like Iran and Saudi Arabia enthrone one religion or religious interppretation while often brutalising those embracing alternatives, from dissenting Muslims to Christians to Bahais.”

Also singled out was Myanmar, a country where "Buddhist extremists have furiously assaulted Rohingya Muslims." The co-authors also recalled that back in 2014, a Christian bishop in Baghdad had predicted that the nihilist fury of Islamic State's terror would in due course reach Europe; this forecast had come horribly true.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/erasmus/2016/01/religious-freedom-and-america
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yeoman6987

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1. France is pretty close to having no religion in government
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 02:01 PM
Jan 2016

I think it works but some do have issues like when you can wear religious clothing at work and school, when you can pray at work and school. France bans clothing at school and work. The United States is not ready for complete separation of religion and state.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
2. There's a difference between separating state from religion and separating society from religion.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 02:06 PM
Jan 2016

France still hasn't gotten a handle on that.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
3. It is interesting to see them going through the process
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 02:08 PM
Jan 2016

If it turns out well, I think we should at least take the positive portions of it. But I think they do have work to do yet. I agree.

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