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Related: About this forumSick and Tired of ‘God Bless America’
Kissimmee, Fla., 2012. Alec Soth/Magnum Photos
By SUSAN JACOBY
FEB. 5, 2016
Susan Jacoby is the author of the forthcoming book Strange Gods: A Secular History of Conversion.
THE population of nonreligious Americans including atheists, agnostics and those who call themselves nothing in particular stands at an all-time high this election year. Americans who say religion is not important in their lives and who do not belong to a religious group, according to the Pew Research Center, have risen in numbers from an estimated 21 million in 2008 to more than 36 million now.
Despite the extraordinary swiftness and magnitude of this shift, our political campaigns are still conducted as if all potential voters were among the faithful. The presumption is that candidates have everything to gain and nothing to lose by continuing their obsequious attitude toward orthodox religion and ignoring the growing population of those who make up a more secular America.
Ted Cruz won in Iowa by expanding Republican voter turnout among the evangelical base. Donald J. Trump placed second after promising to protect Christians from enemies foreign and domestic. The third-place finisher Marco Rubios line I dont think you can go to church too often might well have been the campaign mantra. Mr. Rubio was first christened a Roman Catholic, baptized again at the age of 8 into the Mormon Church, and now attends a Southern Baptist megachurch with his wife on Saturdays and Catholic Mass on Sundays.
Democrats are only a trifle more secular in their appeals. Hillary Clinton repeatedly refers to her Methodist upbringing, and even Bernie Sanders a cultural Jew not known to belong to a synagogue squirms when asked whether he believes in God. When Jimmy Kimmel posed the question, Mr. Sanders replied in a fog of words at odds with his usual blunt style: I am who I am. And what I believe in and what my spirituality is about, is that were all in this together. He once referred to a belief in God that requires him to follow the Golden Rule a quote his supporters seem to trot out whenever someone suggests hes an atheist or agnostic.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/07/opinion/sunday/sick-and-tired-of-god-bless-america.html
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)the Country's business.
Igel
(35,320 posts)It's fine to let citizens enjoy rights, as long as they don't affect you or the country's business.
Can't let the people get in the way of the government any more than we can let the government get in the way of the people.
Ad absurdum with this argument.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)Religious Belief .
2naSalit
(86,646 posts)edhopper
(33,587 posts)doesn't come up when people are attacking the so called "New Atheist". Guess she doesn't fit the stereotype.
rug
(82,333 posts)Go figure.
edhopper
(33,587 posts)not just Dawkins are accused of this or that, her name is seldom if ever mentioned.
rug
(82,333 posts)To the contrary, she is very accomplished in articulating the necessity of secularism.
Her books are spot on: Wild Justice, The Age of American Unreason, Alger Hiss and The Battle for History, Never Say Die: The Myth and Marketing of the New Old Age, Freethinkers: A History of American Secularism.
Without the Islamophobia, sexism, antitheism, and neo-con war-mongering, of course.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)If religionists are free to promote religion, then so must others be allowed the same access to point out the detriments to society. If antitheism is wrong, then proselytization is just as wrong if not more so. If the majority is specifically granted access while the minority is muzzled, the minority has no chance of ever becoming the majority. That's the entire basis of free speech. The real motivation of those who promote the nonsense that antitheism = intolerance is to reinforce the privilege of evangelicals.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)Good thing there are no religions that have
What would we do if there were people in this very group that were members of a church with major sexism problems. I bet they'd be REALLY conflicted about what to do and would never, ever, never engage in apologetics for that religion.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)So perhaps that thing is far worse than any of the others.
rug
(82,333 posts)Or are you just deflecting.
rug
(82,333 posts)I can give you a few if you'd like.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Nice job of misrepresenting what I said, again.
Seems to be par for the course with you, no?
rug
(82,333 posts)Silly me.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)I suspect you don't realize your strawman and obtuse responses are still revealing quite a bit about yourself. Not to worry though. I think most already knew.
rug
(82,333 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Never saw that one coming.