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Related: About this forumI find this very strange
Both Herodotus and Plutarch went to Egypt and other places in the area in the 5th-century bce but nowhere do they mention Israelites or the Temple in Jerusalem. Hmmm
The Tanakh never mentions pyramids or the Sphinx when talking about Egypt. Hmmm. Even if the slaves were confined to the Delta region, surely Joseph and his family were not so confined.
After Pauls conversion on the road to Damascus, he didnt go to Jerusalem to learn more about Jesus, he went to Arabia. Doesnt that seem strange? Galatians 1:16-17.
struggle4progress
(118,295 posts)his visit to Egypt was fairly brief, he could not speak Egyptian, and had no understanding of Egyptian hieroglyphs or cursive script ... He does not use the Pharaoh's Egyptian names, making it difficult to be certain which king he is referring to ... http://www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk/Herodotus.html
... There is no scholarly consensus as to when the Hebrew Bible canon was fixed: some scholars argue that it was fixed by the Hasmonean dynasty (140-40 BCE), while others argue it was not fixed until the second century CE or even later ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_the_Hebrew_Bible_canon
... The name Israel first appears in the stele of the Egyptian pharaoh Merneptah c. 1209 BCE, "Israel is laid waste and his seed is no more" ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ancient_Israel_and_Judah
You seem to jumble together several stories stretched over a thousand years or more
jonno99
(2,620 posts)if the account in scripture is true then Saul/Paul spent a good bit of time with believers (Acts 9) before starting his mission of preaching to the "gentiles". What would have gained by his going to Jerusalem at that time - not part of his "mission" - is hard to say.
Viva_Daddy
(785 posts)jonno99
(2,620 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)Unlike the gospels (which came decades after), the letters of "Paul" never mention a physical resurrection - no empty tomb, no bodily appearance, no physical ascension. Those ideas got bolted on later, and thus are only contained in the stories that came later.
P.S. They're all just stories. Try not to read too much into them.
rug
(82,333 posts)1 Corinthians 15:12-19
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Whether or not the Gospels predate the Pauline Epistles, it's pretty clear Paul hadn't read them.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Which certainly should not be the case if the earlier source is closer to the actual "facts" of the story.
It is interesting when you have the ability to step back outside of the dogma and study it like a game of telephone. But when you are personally invested in the "truth" of the stories, well, you end up with stuff like this:
If St. Pauls Letters are older than the Gospels, why does he leave a lot out?
Raymond Brown, a renowned New Testament scholar, answers this very question in the first chapter of his book An Introduction to the New Testament. The early Christians were slow in writing down the stories of Jesus life because they believed that Jesus would be returning soon, so they saw no need to write the gospels. It was no accident then, that Pauls letters which addressed immediate, pressing problems or controversies turned out to be the first Christian writings we have. Because he was writing to specific audiences with particular issues in mind, it resulted in a less-than-systematic portrayal of Jesus life. For example, when writing to a church that he had founded, if there were no current controversies about the virgin birth or Jesus miracles, he wouldnt have felt the need to address them. To give an example on the flip side, Paul only mentions the Eucharist once in all of his letters, and it was only because the church at Corinth was experiencing abuses at the Eucharistic meal.
Paul, who we must remember never met the living Jesus and was only writing what he had heard about him orally, penned his letters in the 50s of the first century. Because the gospels hadnt yet been written, it stands to chance that Paul simply hadnt heard all of the many details offered in those gospels. It was only after the most famous eyewitnesses to Jesus died (Peter, Paul, James), probably around the mid 60s, that the gospels began to be written down, offering a much more systematic and chronological account of Jesuss birth, life, and physical death and resurrection. This timing also explains why there might be some discrepancies between what Paul wrote concerning Christ appearing to the Twelve and what Matthew claimed was Judas end, suicide.
Being invested in the story, as you can see, makes you invent "what-if" scenarios to try and explain the discrepancies, when the simplest explanation (those more advanced elements of the myth hadn't been developed yet) is right there, plain as day.