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Greatest I am

(235 posts)
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:35 AM Apr 2016

Was God creating Satan a good idea?

Was God creating Satan a good idea?

Eden and creation seemed to be going along quite well for God and man until Satan was cast into Eden by God. God would have been in charge of who he allowed into the Garden of Eden. After all, God would have kept a firm control of who entered his new day care so as to insure the wellbeing of Adam and Eve.

Being all knowing, God already knew that Satan, with God’s own power of deception, would successfully tempt Eve to eat of the tree of all possible knowledge.

It almost seems as if God wanted us to and planned for us to fail. Perhaps that is why the Church called Adams sin a happy fault and necessary sin.

Christian dogma, the opposite of Jewish dogma, has Satan as God’s nemesis and arch rival for the souls of mankind. God’s foreknowledge would have told him that Satan would cause him to condemn the vast majority of his beloved souls to hell and death and thus play into Satan’s hands. This to me seems like God creating a huge amount of grief for himself and mankind, unless God truly wanted man to fail, --- and sin was a happy fault and necessary sin as the Church says.

Did Adam and Eve actually do what God really wanted them to do, and was God creating Satan a good idea?

We are told by the Church and scriptures to emulate God.

Should all parents do as God did and create a situation of failure for their children so as to insure that they too have the happy fault and necessary sin that makes them fail?

Why was it important for God to insure that we failed?

Regards
DL

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Was God creating Satan a good idea? (Original Post) Greatest I am Apr 2016 OP
Only in the fairy tales! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #1
Not quiet as bad as... NeoGreen Apr 2016 #2
Tom Waits said maybe there is no Satan, it's only God when he's drunk Fumesucker Apr 2016 #3
Bad Idea PeoViejo Apr 2016 #4
God gave us a brain safeinOhio Apr 2016 #5
Yeah, that ebola shit sure is funny. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2016 #6
God's Cool Designs pokerfan Apr 2016 #20
Nice, but he forgot about Hyena Clitorides Act_of_Reparation Apr 2016 #30
Hahaha, all those women dying in labor, what a laugh riot! trotsky Apr 2016 #7
Takes that brain safeinOhio Apr 2016 #8
A noble attempt to save face. trotsky Apr 2016 #10
You mad Bro? safeinOhio Apr 2016 #11
Should I be? trotsky Apr 2016 #12
Just a little humor to point out safeinOhio Apr 2016 #16
Yeah just chalk it up under me being really stupid. trotsky Apr 2016 #17
You are persuasive. rug Apr 2016 #18
Forgive me, I don't think you are stupid. safeinOhio Apr 2016 #19
A trickster whose Greatest I am Apr 2016 #25
Interesting - little known thingie - Adam and Eve were God's second try packman Apr 2016 #9
I vote for B.S. on free will. Greatest I am Apr 2016 #21
Great plot twist Cartoonist Apr 2016 #13
No argument. Greatest I am Apr 2016 #22
Not nearly as good as creating the Brazilian Tree Hopper. rug Apr 2016 #14
That is interesting but Greatest I am Apr 2016 #23
Modern man... jonno99 Apr 2016 #28
There are other philosophies, Hermetic philosophy, which states that The ALL created the known Hestia Apr 2016 #15
Yummy. A true story of Satan. Greatest I am Apr 2016 #24
The tv show "Lucifer" is excellent and brings up some of these same questions in a round-about Hestia Apr 2016 #32
Satan didn't use deception in Eden, he used the truth. arcane1 Apr 2016 #26
Christians would argue Greatest I am Apr 2016 #31
Yes... Mike Nelson Apr 2016 #27
Buddhism teachings advice to step away from that duality and uses the yin yang symbol Hestia Apr 2016 #33
Why would you care? mr blur Apr 2016 #29
A good idea for a children's book? Sure. Iggo Apr 2016 #34

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
3. Tom Waits said maybe there is no Satan, it's only God when he's drunk
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 09:07 AM
Apr 2016

Well, if God gets drunk do you think that maybe God gets stoned?

Look at the platypus..



Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
6. Yeah, that ebola shit sure is funny.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:02 AM
Apr 2016

There's no cosmic creation scenario in which the creator is not a supreme asshole.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
30. Nice, but he forgot about Hyena Clitorides
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 05:21 PM
Apr 2016

Yep, you heard me right.

The Hyena clitoris houses the birth canal. Not that strange in and of itself, but a problem arises from the Hyena's innate social structure. Females run the show, and pecking order (and therefore mating preference) is determined by aggressiveness. Aggressiveness is enhanced by androgens. Ergo, the females with the most androgens are more likely to mate. Trouble is, androgens also increase the length of the clitoris... by a lot. Up to seven inches. Unfortunately, the diameter of the birth canal remains a paltry inch or so.

Alpha females have to pass two-pound cubs through a seven-inch tube one inch in diameter. The tube often rips, and the rip is often fatal for first-time mothers.

Cool design!

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
7. Hahaha, all those women dying in labor, what a laugh riot!
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:11 AM
Apr 2016

Birth defects, deadly infections and diseases, natural disasters, and your god is yukking it up. Great!

safeinOhio

(32,688 posts)
16. Just a little humor to point out
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 12:49 PM
Apr 2016

your assuming I have a god is pretty silly. It'd be like me assuming you are devoted to Ayn Rand.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
9. Interesting - little known thingie - Adam and Eve were God's second try
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:19 AM
Apr 2016

On the sixth day---

"Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." 27God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28God blessed them; and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth."…

Then LATER he makes Adam/Eve and sets them in the Garden - sort of like lab mice. He gave man free choice and sets the Devil in the Garden - If one believes that man has free choice, it makes more sense because God, Himself, did NOT know what man would do with this new ability and as such was even beyond His ken and omnipotence.

Then again, maybe it's all so much bullshit.

Greatest I am

(235 posts)
21. I vote for B.S. on free will.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 03:39 PM
Apr 2016

How can you have free will when there are commandments and punishments.

Regards
DL

Cartoonist

(7,317 posts)
13. Great plot twist
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:51 AM
Apr 2016

You've got to have an antagonist to write good fiction. Of course, God is both protagonist and antagonist, but by having the devil, he gets to blame someone else for his failures.

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
15. There are other philosophies, Hermetic philosophy, which states that The ALL created the known
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 12:15 PM
Apr 2016

and unknown Universe, the ALL doesn't fight evil because The ALL cannot be added to or subtracted from, but The ALL's Creations live in a duality. "god" and "satan" are man-made constructs and can be stepped away from in order to find the Rhythm of the Universe. Bowing your head and groveling on your knees blinds you to the Truth.

Here is an interesting book that I read when it from came out. The publisher has changed the title, why I do not know, because it unnecessary. The copy I have is just The Apocrypha.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Devils-Apocrypha-There-sides/dp/059525070X

The (Devil's) Apocrypha: There Are Two Sides to Every Story

The battle between good and evil began long ago. Before the birth of humanity, God and Satan fought for the domination of heaven. And, as everyone knows, God was triumphant over Satan's evil. The tale has been told for thousands of years.But its all a lie.A manuscript has been discovered, written over a century ago by a priest who was visited by the Devil himself. A priest who left the church to seek out Three Mad Prophets and learn the truth. An Amazon.com bestseller, The Devil's Apocrypha is a tale that begins in another universe, before creation, and ends with a chilling prophesy. Here is the truth about the origin of God, his journey to our universe, and the battle for heaven. Discover why God manipulated the flesh of our race, the reason for his commandments and why one being dared to try and stop him.This is the true story of Satan and God and its unlike anything you've been told.
 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
32. The tv show "Lucifer" is excellent and brings up some of these same questions in a round-about
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 10:16 AM
Apr 2016

way. He's got daddy issues and is rebelling against him.

Greatest I am

(235 posts)
31. Christians would argue
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 07:46 PM
Apr 2016

that A & E did die that day but they make the day 1,000 years.

I do not agree with their stupid view though.

They like to twist reality to sell their fantasy as reality and do not mind lying.

But a lie or truth, the outcome still looks like God wanted A & E to fail.

I just wonder if it was designed the way it looks designed.

Regards
DL

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
33. Buddhism teachings advice to step away from that duality and uses the yin yang symbol
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 10:18 AM
Apr 2016

as a demonstration - nothing is wholly good and nothing is wholly bad on this earth.

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