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Was God creating Satan a good idea?
Eden and creation seemed to be going along quite well for God and man until Satan was cast into Eden by God. God would have been in charge of who he allowed into the Garden of Eden. After all, God would have kept a firm control of who entered his new day care so as to insure the wellbeing of Adam and Eve.
Being all knowing, God already knew that Satan, with Gods own power of deception, would successfully tempt Eve to eat of the tree of all possible knowledge.
It almost seems as if God wanted us to and planned for us to fail. Perhaps that is why the Church called Adams sin a happy fault and necessary sin.
Christian dogma, the opposite of Jewish dogma, has Satan as Gods nemesis and arch rival for the souls of mankind. Gods foreknowledge would have told him that Satan would cause him to condemn the vast majority of his beloved souls to hell and death and thus play into Satans hands. This to me seems like God creating a huge amount of grief for himself and mankind, unless God truly wanted man to fail, --- and sin was a happy fault and necessary sin as the Church says.
Did Adam and Eve actually do what God really wanted them to do, and was God creating Satan a good idea?
We are told by the Church and scriptures to emulate God.
Should all parents do as God did and create a situation of failure for their children so as to insure that they too have the happy fault and necessary sin that makes them fail?
Why was it important for God to insure that we failed?
Regards
DL
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)NeoGreen
(4,031 posts)...when man created god(s)...
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Well, if God gets drunk do you think that maybe God gets stoned?
Look at the platypus..
PeoViejo
(2,178 posts)Now she's running for President.
safeinOhio
(32,688 posts)And the ability to reason, then sat back and laughed.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)There's no cosmic creation scenario in which the creator is not a supreme asshole.
pokerfan
(27,677 posts)Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Yep, you heard me right.
The Hyena clitoris houses the birth canal. Not that strange in and of itself, but a problem arises from the Hyena's innate social structure. Females run the show, and pecking order (and therefore mating preference) is determined by aggressiveness. Aggressiveness is enhanced by androgens. Ergo, the females with the most androgens are more likely to mate. Trouble is, androgens also increase the length of the clitoris... by a lot. Up to seven inches. Unfortunately, the diameter of the birth canal remains a paltry inch or so.
Alpha females have to pass two-pound cubs through a seven-inch tube one inch in diameter. The tube often rips, and the rip is often fatal for first-time mothers.
Cool design!
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Birth defects, deadly infections and diseases, natural disasters, and your god is yukking it up. Great!
safeinOhio
(32,688 posts)A little longer with some to figure out satire.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Does Jesus approve of you insulting my intellect to do so?
safeinOhio
(32,688 posts)All I know is Jesus was a truck driving son of a bitch.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Just because you implied I'm too mentally slow to get your "satire"?
safeinOhio
(32,688 posts)your assuming I have a god is pretty silly. It'd be like me assuming you are devoted to Ayn Rand.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)We've already established that, haven't we?
rug
(82,333 posts)safeinOhio
(32,688 posts)If you just lighten up a little.......
Greatest I am
(235 posts)Priests are all fraudsters.
Regards
DL
packman
(16,296 posts)On the sixth day---
"Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." 27God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28God blessed them; and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth."
Then LATER he makes Adam/Eve and sets them in the Garden - sort of like lab mice. He gave man free choice and sets the Devil in the Garden - If one believes that man has free choice, it makes more sense because God, Himself, did NOT know what man would do with this new ability and as such was even beyond His ken and omnipotence.
Then again, maybe it's all so much bullshit.
Greatest I am
(235 posts)How can you have free will when there are commandments and punishments.
Regards
DL
Cartoonist
(7,317 posts)You've got to have an antagonist to write good fiction. Of course, God is both protagonist and antagonist, but by having the devil, he gets to blame someone else for his failures.
Greatest I am
(235 posts)God writes a mean book and is the hero no matter how big a prick he is.
Regards
DL
rug
(82,333 posts)Greatest I am
(235 posts)jonno99
(2,620 posts)Hestia
(3,818 posts)and unknown Universe, the ALL doesn't fight evil because The ALL cannot be added to or subtracted from, but The ALL's Creations live in a duality. "god" and "satan" are man-made constructs and can be stepped away from in order to find the Rhythm of the Universe. Bowing your head and groveling on your knees blinds you to the Truth.
Here is an interesting book that I read when it from came out. The publisher has changed the title, why I do not know, because it unnecessary. The copy I have is just The Apocrypha.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Devils-Apocrypha-There-sides/dp/059525070X
The (Devil's) Apocrypha: There Are Two Sides to Every Story
Greatest I am
(235 posts)I can hardly wait for the movie.
Regards
DL
Hestia
(3,818 posts)way. He's got daddy issues and is rebelling against him.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)That being said, he's good for busine$$.
Greatest I am
(235 posts)that A & E did die that day but they make the day 1,000 years.
I do not agree with their stupid view though.
They like to twist reality to sell their fantasy as reality and do not mind lying.
But a lie or truth, the outcome still looks like God wanted A & E to fail.
I just wonder if it was designed the way it looks designed.
Regards
DL
Mike Nelson
(9,959 posts)...God knew it needed a "bad" to make itself look "good" by comparison.
Hestia
(3,818 posts)as a demonstration - nothing is wholly good and nothing is wholly bad on this earth.
mr blur
(7,753 posts)Surely you're not saying that you believe all this arse-gravy?