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trotsky

(49,533 posts)
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:34 AM Apr 2016

Ted Cruz' Religion Adviser Talks to God, Can Add Scripture to Bible

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-wilson/ted-cruz-religion-adviser_b_9729606.html

In early March, the Cruz for President campaign announced the formation of an official Religious Liberty Advisory Council. One of the members of Cruz' advisory council, Bishop Harry Jackson, appears to have the official power, through his participation in a major prophetic organization associated with the radical New Apostolic Reformation movement, to add new teachings to the Bible -- in a similar manner as Mormon prophet Joseph Smith's discovery of scripture that comprises the Book of Mormon which, for the Church of the Latter Day Saints, augments and completes the Bible.

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NAR doctrine holds that its movement prophets can receive divine revelation directly from God. ACPE's (Apostolic Council of Prophetic Elders) two-dozen odd prophets have the ability to issue prophetic statements that can, in effect, add new scriptural teaching to the Bible. The one catch is that these prophetic statements cannot contradict scripture.

One 2007 edict from an ACPE member clarified God's will concerning abortion -- as an act that requires a compensatory shedding of blood. In 2008, ACPE head Wagner stated,

"There are principles in the Bible that you can put together and make a case for it, but you look up the word 'abortion' in your Concordance--it's not there. See? And, so, all I'm saying is that's a good, live example of something that we have received from the Holy Spirit that is now legitimate.. But the Holy Spirit has revealed to us that abortion is murder. See?"


So this brings up a question that I've never seen a believer be able to answer. If we discount the idea of gods or spirits, it's easy to say these guys are full of shit. But if we acknowledge that gods and spirits are real, and can reveal knowledge to humans, how exactly do we counter this dangerous stuff? Who is to say that the "Holy Spirit" didn't speak to them?
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Ted Cruz' Religion Adviser Talks to God, Can Add Scripture to Bible (Original Post) trotsky Apr 2016 OP
How can anyone possibly take these halfwits seriously? mr blur Apr 2016 #1
Who is to say that the "Holy Spirit" didn't speak to them? May I suggest the Judge Dee 狄 solution Albertoo Apr 2016 #2
 

mr blur

(7,753 posts)
1. How can anyone possibly take these halfwits seriously?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:01 AM
Apr 2016
but you look up the word 'abortion' in your Concordance--it's not there. See? And, so, all I'm saying is that's a good, live example of something that we have received from the Holy Spirit that is now legitimate.. But the Holy Spirit has revealed to us that abortion is murder. See?"


That's some serious drivel, right there.





 

Albertoo

(2,016 posts)
2. Who is to say that the "Holy Spirit" didn't speak to them? May I suggest the Judge Dee 狄 solution
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:05 AM
Apr 2016

The Judge Dee character is based on the historical figure Di Renjie (c. 630–c. 700), magistrate and statesman of the Tang court. During the Ming Dynasty (1368–1644) in China, a "folk novel" was written set in former times, but filled with anachronisms. Van Gulik found in the 18th century Di Gong An (Chinese:狄公案 Pinyin: dí gōng àn, lit. "Cases of Judge Dee&quot an original tale dealing with three cases simultaneously, and, which was unusual among Chinese mystery tales, a plot that for the most part lacked an overbearing supernatural element which could alienate Western readers.[1] He translated it into English and had it published in 1949 under the title Celebrated Cases of Judge Dee. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judge_Dee

The case which could apply to your question about people claiming that the "Holy Spirit" spoke to them is that of the three -aptly- monks who tried to claim recovered gold ingots, claiming they came from the melting of their gold statue of goddess such and such. Judge Dee asked the monks to sit each at one of the three sides of the courtroom and draw the gold statue. Then the judge showed the audience that the 3 drawings were totally dissimilar. And the monks were beaten with sticks.

May I suggest the same treatment for Bishop Harry Jackson? Beating with sticks included.

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