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Related: About this forumCatholic Diocese in India Reinstates Priest Who Admitted Child Sex Abuse
http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2016/04/22/catholic-diocese-in-india-reinstates-priest-who-admitted-child-sex-abuse/The suspension of the priest, Father Joseph Palanivel Jeyapaul, 61 years old, was lifted by Bishop Amalraj Arulappan from the Diocese of Ootacamund in the southern Indian state of Tamil Nadu, earlier this year, Father Sebastian Selvanathan, a spokesman for the diocese said.
Father Jeyapaul was deputed to serve in the Diocese of Crookston in Minnesota in the U.S. in 2004. He returned to India in September 2005 and two years later, criminal charges were filed against him in the U.S. accusing him of sexually abusing a girl between 2004 and 2005. Father Jeyapaul was suspended from the Indian diocese in 2010.
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The priest is living in the residential premises of the diocese, Father Selvanathan said, adding that he has no responsibilities whatsoever. When asked if Mr. Jeyapaul was prevented from having contact with children, Father Selvanathan said: It is not a jail. He didnt comment on why Father Jeyapaul was reinstated.
Coming on the heels of the story I posted yesterday - Sex Abuse and the Catholic Church: Why Is It Still a Story? - well, there ya go. This is why it's still a fucking story. Here's a priest who admitted abusing children, and once again he's shuffled around and reinstated... and not prohibited from contact with children.
The church and its loyal defenders continue to sweep abuse under the rug. No big deal, it happens everywhere, what can you do. Well it's a big fucking deal whenever a child is abused. Yes it happens everywhere but in the RCC the situation is unique, and exacerbated by its teachings and practices, which continue to this day. And as to what you can do, how about you REMOVE THE ABUSER instead of protecting him and reinstating him?
Fuck all those whose response is a knee-jerk defense of their corrupt and harmful church.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)Eugene
(61,900 posts)The real surprise is that the church is so flagrant about it.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Put a good PR guy at the top, and let his lovely words and photo ops win over the gullible masses, while changing absolutely nothing about the policies and procedures that are destroying lives.
The thing is, it really wasn't a choice. It was their only option, because anything else requires admitting error, and the One True Church isn't wrong about anything. Ever.
xfundy
(5,105 posts)It's ordained by GOD! It's one of his houses! He lives there! Sure, his roomies are perverts, but that's not HIS problem!
So goddamned sick of the shit that gets a pass because religion. Wouldn't vote to convict anyone who blew up all religions providing they didn't kill anyone in the process.
struggle4progress
(118,295 posts)POSTED: 04/20/16, 6:07 AM PDT
MINNEAPOLIS (AP) A Catholic diocese in southern India is consulting attorneys about a lawsuit filed against it in the U.S. after it re-assigned a priest who was convicted of child sex abuse in Minnesota. The federal lawsuit was filed in Minnesota this week on behalf of Megan Peterson, who says the Rev. Joseph Palanivel Jeyapaul abused her in 2004 when he served at her church in Greenbush, Minnesota. Peterson was 14 or 15 years old at the time ... Her lawsuit seeks unspecified damages in excess of $75,000 from the Ootacamund Diocese in India's Tamil Nadu state. Jeyapaul pleaded guilty last year to molesting one girl. Under the plea deal, charges of molesting Peterson were dismissed ...
http://www.orovillemr.com/general-news/20160420/diocese-in-india-weighs-lawsuit-filed-in-minnesota
Tamil Nadu Diocese Weighs Lawsuit Filed in Minnesota Over Indian Priest
Posted: Thursday, April 21, 2016 5:30 pm
... Jeyapaul fled the United States after he was charged, but was arrested in India and eventually extradited to Minnesota. He pleaded guilty last year to molesting the one girl, whose name hasn't been made public. Jeyapaul was sentenced to a year in jail, but was freed because he had served almost three years in jail fighting extradition and awaiting trial ...
http://www.indiawest.com/news/global_indian/tamil-nadu-diocese-weighs-lawsuit-filed-in-minnesota-over-indian/article_d9401d7c-081b-11e6-9186-a7a4cba0bf64.html
struggle4progress
(118,295 posts)whatsoever ..."
meh
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)The very best you can say about it is the RCC aided the international flight of a child rapist and awarded him with a cushy retirement once he got out of jail. Seems just a bit much to award that with a "meh", wouldn't you say?
Iggo
(47,558 posts)No way Frank the Pleasant would let that happen on his watch.
Right?
mr blur
(7,753 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)and not only be reinstated to one's job, but be given the bonus of not having to do any work?
What a great church. Way to go, Pope Awesome!
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)struggle4progress
(118,295 posts)By Sarah Volpenhein
on Jun 15, 2015 at 1:18 p.m.
... Jeyapaul pleaded guilty to 4th-degree criminal sexual conduct in Roseau County District Court ...
Jeyapaul .. exploited information the victim .. disclosed to him, such as the fact the girl wanted to become a nun, to get closer to her ..
The girl first met Jeyapaul on a bus ride to a conference .. when she was 15 years old ...
She told police .. Jeyapaul began calling her at her home and telling her he would marry her if he were younger ...
.. on her 16th birthday, Jeyapaul forced her to touch him, kissed her and pulled her on top of him while at his home ...
http://www.grandforksherald.com/news/crime-and-courts/3766714-catholic-priest-gets-no-prison-time-minnesota-child-sex-abuse-cases
struggle4progress
(118,295 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)struggle4progress
(118,295 posts)it's certainly battery (in the sense of unwanted physical contact), and it seems to involve some forced groping of the adult by the unwilling child -- all assuming, of course, that the press account is correct
It sounds like she claims something more or less along these lines: he put her hand on his crotch, kissed her, grabbed her, and pulled her down on top of himself. If that's the case, then it's icky -- but it's not rape. It also sounds like he said he didn't do it, but perhaps "protested too much." After three years in jail, in the course of extradition from India and awaiting trial, he pleaded and got a year sentence, so was out on time served. My natural reaction to a guilty plea is always, OK, then, guilty! -- but I also recognize that people can sometimes plead guilty just to cut their losses and get on with their lives. Of course, forcing the US to extradite him does rather suggest a guilty mind
This is in the news today because another resident of Minnesota recently decided to sue the diocese in India for something she says happened in Minnesota. I'd guess that's a bit of a stretch, unless there's a lot more to the story than is in the press so far
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)There were at least two victims involved, which also means he's a repeat offender at best or a serial child rapist at worst. No telling how many of his victims never came forward.
The abuse continued for a year and some of the attacks took place in the church confessional.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/church-put-teen-rapist-charge-india-diocese-suit-article-1.2607753
Meh?
struggle4progress
(118,295 posts)Here's what Peterson says, for example:
Megan: It is important to have discussions with the youth about good touch and bad touch. Open dialogue at an early age ensures that if something does occur, they would feel safe speaking to their parents or another trustworthy adult.
http://www.thenewsminute.com/article/priest-jeyapauls-victim-megan-speaks-tnm-church-ignores-sex-crimes-or-worse-hides-them-42053
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Does this make it clear enough?
http://www.snapnetwork.org/megan_peterson_profile
He raped her numerous times and then the disgusting meatbag made her confess her sins to him.
Meh?
struggle4progress
(118,295 posts)in 2006 after Megan Peterson ... accused Jeyapaul of sexually abusing her .. in 2004 and 2005. Prosecutor Heidi Fisher Davies said she dropped the charges in that case because "there were issues that arose that would have made it very difficult to get a conviction." She declined to discuss any specifics, saying the information that led to the dismissal is confidential under Minnesota law ...
Catholic priest gets no prison time in Minnesota child sex abuse cases
By Sarah Volpenhein
on Jun 15, 2015 at 1:18 p.m.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)standard practice. The disgusting performance in this thread is standard for that poster.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)First it was the child that got raped never actually said he raped her, then when that myth got destroyed we are back to he only got convicted for forcing another child to touch his penis, so that means he's not a rapist.
edhopper
(33,587 posts)it didn't happen? I guess OJ never killed anyone either.
Even rug is staying away from this one. Your defenses of the RCC is noted.
rug
(82,333 posts)Neither the OP nor most of the responses to this have had, do have, or will have a single good thought about the RCC. To posture that this horrid priest therefore justifies that hatred is putrid both in sentiment and in logic. The prejudice and malice is too deeply ingrained to discus the difference between criminals and institutional practices and an entire institution.
To paraphrase the OP: Fuck all those whose response is a knee-jerk attack on
an entire religion.
Anti-religious bigotry, even when wrapped in the courageous, controversial and convenient cloak of defending children, remains bigotry.
Let me know when you want to discuss the epidemic of child abuse without the religious bigotry your confreres are compelled to spew.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Yet you can't seem to do so. Very telling that.
This is yet another countless example of the RCC, all the way from the top, giving another monster a safe landing, free to prey on other children. But anyone who points out that the RCC is still rotten to the core as ever by offering relevant examples must be a bigot.
I have to admit rug, even for you this level of apologia for child abuse child rape is pretty damn amazing.
rug
(82,333 posts)but for the fact that, with or without the institutional abse, you would have precisely the same view of the Catholic Church.
Are you able to admit that?
Otherwise, I have no triuck with anyone who uses child rape to promote an otherwise intact religious bigotry.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)As if that alone wasn't bad enough, institutionalized child rape is but one reason for criticism of organized religion. There's plenty of others.
Now it's your turn.
You've already been busted for fallaciously equating anti-theism to bigotry. Are you able to admit those two things are not the same?
I'll look forward to your honest and straightforward answer.
rug
(82,333 posts)Particular anti-theism such as anto-Catholicism, anti-semitism, and Islamophobia is.
And your admission is incomplete. There is no evident circumstance under which you would say Catholicism is a good. You don't need a reason. Loathing a religious group, or any other cognizable group, unconditionally, without reason is bigotry
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)If you are going to insist on your completely baseless and intellectually bankrupt allegation that I'm a bigot, I have no qualms at all in pointing out how utterly and ridiculously full of shit you are.
Religious bigotry is not a subset of anti-theism anymore than religious bigotry is a subset of theism, and arguably less so as the vast majority of religious bigotry is institutionalized within the tenants of the most prominent organized religions.
edhopper
(33,587 posts)without condemning the corrupt institution of the RCC is pointless.
I don't think Christian belief leads to child abuse. But i do think the Vatican and the clergy are a cult that will do anything and overlook any harm to protect it's own. it has more to do with a corrupt and criminal organization that is bent on keeping it's hold on society and it's power over people to spread it's doctrine than religion per se. Where religion comes in is the attitude of being the one true emissary of God and having it's agenda right by divine providence. That just leads to more corruption.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)More than happy to discuss the shocking levels of child rape within the RCC, but not with anyone who brings it up because if they do so that means they are a bigot. So we must wait for him to do so, which he won't, but if he does, that makes him a bigot (and a hypocrite).
rug
(82,333 posts)were the very first Christian pedophile ring.
In this very thread.
You've out-Chicked Jack Chick.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)Which makes it about religion and not child abuse itself. Which makes the discussion pointless.
I'm glad you acknowledge the religious belief does not lead to child abuse, unlike cleanhippie who has remained conspicuosly silent after claiming that.
The recent accounts demonstrate the lengths an institution will go to for corporate self-defense. But the religiously bigoted are all too quick to leap into unsupported conclusions about the religion itself.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)You gotta split some pretty fine hairs. Now let's not bicker and argue about who raped who...
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)I saw it.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)I see 11.
My spidey senses detect possible Cathosplaining.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)mr blur
(7,753 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Seriously, that is being argued here.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Sounds like something a lawyer might say.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Sometimes it can be difficult to tell the difference.