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Related: About this forumCan You Get Addicted to Religion?
http://www.alternet.org/belief/can-you-get-addicted-religionIve never been happier since I quit my 30-year addiction to Jesus. A former believer
To a medical researcher, the word addiction has a specific biological meaning. But in common vernacular, it means approximately this: the state of being enslaved to a habit or practice or to something that is psychologically or physically habit-forming, such as narcotics, to such an extent that its cessation causes severe trauma.
Based on this definition some religious experiences seem a lot like addictionsat least thats what former believers say.
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Former Mormon Brandon Olson is even more emphatic: Karl Marx said it right, Religion is the opiate of the masses. I'm still recovering from it. Part of my recovery is helping others get free, says Olson. I quit believing in a god when I was a teenager, but I was afraid of hell/damnation until I was about 35. It took me until I was 40 to speak up and revoke my LDS cult membership. I am now 50, and I consider religion to be an imposed addictionno different than holding a baby and shooting it up with small doses of heroin, increasing the doses as the baby grows.
To a medical researcher, the word addiction has a specific biological meaning. But in common vernacular, it means approximately this: the state of being enslaved to a habit or practice or to something that is psychologically or physically habit-forming, such as narcotics, to such an extent that its cessation causes severe trauma.
Based on this definition some religious experiences seem a lot like addictionsat least thats what former believers say.
...
Former Mormon Brandon Olson is even more emphatic: Karl Marx said it right, Religion is the opiate of the masses. I'm still recovering from it. Part of my recovery is helping others get free, says Olson. I quit believing in a god when I was a teenager, but I was afraid of hell/damnation until I was about 35. It took me until I was 40 to speak up and revoke my LDS cult membership. I am now 50, and I consider religion to be an imposed addictionno different than holding a baby and shooting it up with small doses of heroin, increasing the doses as the baby grows.
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Can You Get Addicted to Religion? (Original Post)
trotsky
Apr 2016
OP
Is gun obsession an addiction? Injecting some reason into that might be just what you're looking for
cleanhippie
Apr 2016
#12
AA's entire strategy is to get people to trade a substance addiction for a god addiction
Major Nikon
Apr 2016
#7
True, but suicide seems to be the most efficient method by which AA kills people
Major Nikon
Apr 2016
#11
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)1. What? That would mean like alcoholism, religious belief is a desease?
If so, Reason is the cure.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)2. Much like having wine with dinner or a beer after work isn't alcoholism,
I think there are many religious people who aren't addicted to religion. But some definitely are - symptoms may include reflexively defending child rapists and their protectors/enablers.
stone space
(6,498 posts)9. Mathematics is addicting. Does that make mathematics a desease?
If so, Reason is the cure.
Well, perhaps.
Just be careful not to become addicted to "reason", if it is addiction itself that is a problem.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)12. Is gun obsession an addiction? Injecting some reason into that might be just what you're looking for
stone space
(6,498 posts)13. You are not the first person to ask that question. It is a good one.
Is gun obsession an addiction?
Since you brought up the topic, here are some thoughts on gun addiction.
America is addicted to guns which only give an illusion of strength and security
I grew up with guns all around me in Lebanon. So I understand Americas relationship with firearms, and just how dangerous it can be
Peter Daou
You are not the same person carrying a firearm as you are without one. A device that can extinguish a life with the flick of a finger places inordinate power in the hands of an individual. That power whether exercised or simply imagined can be addictive.
Growing up in the midst of a war in Lebanon and undergoing military training in high school put guns at the center of my childhood. As the grandson of an experienced marksman, the son of a hunter and a hunter myself, I loved my guns. I loved shooting. I loved the feeling of slinging a double barrel shotgun over my shoulder before dawn and wandering off into the cold mountains.
I am also someone who, as a 10-year-old, collected shrapnel and spent bullets from the streets and alleys around my home near Hamra Street in West Beirut daily reminders of death and violence, but also of survival. As my collection grew, so did my appreciation for the value of each new morning with an intact family, which was a privilege that many of my friends and neighbors lost.
My military service quickly taught me that there was an inextricable link between the weapon I carried on my shoulder and the suffering to which I bore daily witness. I was trained to use guns against others before I was old enough to be considered a man.
In Lebanese culture, manhood was an issue teenage boys were taught to think about. What did it mean to be a man, to be respected as a man? A gun was an instant pathway to respect or as I more accurately understand now, fear masquerading as respect.
Americas obsessive relationship with firearms is familiar to me; I know the intoxicating sense of power that a gun bestows, particularly to a young man. But in the aftermath of the terrible violence I witnessed and with the passage of time, I know that guns are dangerous and illusory shortcuts to strength and maturity and no guarantee of personal safety.
After another horrific mass shooting this time at Oregons Umpqua Community College our intractable gun control debate has begun once again, with those who are categorically opposed to rational controls on gun ownership already insisting that a mass shooting is no reason to contemplate new laws. What is it about America and firearms? What makes us different from every other developed country that we tolerate such disproportionate levels of gun violence?
I see the debate about guns through the lens of that teenager surrounded by weapons and by bloodshed and terror created with guns. I can also see it as a hunter and amateur marksman as someone who spent years perfecting the Zen-like art of hitting the head of a pin with a tiny projectile.
Guns are a high. For someone just entering adulthood and grappling with the attendant challenges, emotions and sense of powerlessness, easy access to firearms is easy access to the ultimate drug: the feeling of omnipotence.
In America, that access means that the consequences of contentious interactions between people can more readily turn deadly. According to a report by the Center for American Progress, The easy access youths have to guns across the country creates the opportunity for otherwise nonfatal confrontations between young people to become fatal.
Allowing unfettered access to deadly weapons leads to the carnage were seeing in our schools, our churches, our movie theaters, our shopping malls, and our streets. The frustration expressed by President Obama in his statement about the Oregon shooting is shared by millions of people, like me, who cannot fathom how we permit these travesties to continue.
Those of us who advocate for stronger gun control measures must understand that we are dealing not just with an obsession, but an addiction. And addictions are notoriously hard to break. Meanwhile, the death toll keeps rising.
I grew up with guns all around me in Lebanon. So I understand Americas relationship with firearms, and just how dangerous it can be
Peter Daou
You are not the same person carrying a firearm as you are without one. A device that can extinguish a life with the flick of a finger places inordinate power in the hands of an individual. That power whether exercised or simply imagined can be addictive.
Growing up in the midst of a war in Lebanon and undergoing military training in high school put guns at the center of my childhood. As the grandson of an experienced marksman, the son of a hunter and a hunter myself, I loved my guns. I loved shooting. I loved the feeling of slinging a double barrel shotgun over my shoulder before dawn and wandering off into the cold mountains.
I am also someone who, as a 10-year-old, collected shrapnel and spent bullets from the streets and alleys around my home near Hamra Street in West Beirut daily reminders of death and violence, but also of survival. As my collection grew, so did my appreciation for the value of each new morning with an intact family, which was a privilege that many of my friends and neighbors lost.
My military service quickly taught me that there was an inextricable link between the weapon I carried on my shoulder and the suffering to which I bore daily witness. I was trained to use guns against others before I was old enough to be considered a man.
In Lebanese culture, manhood was an issue teenage boys were taught to think about. What did it mean to be a man, to be respected as a man? A gun was an instant pathway to respect or as I more accurately understand now, fear masquerading as respect.
Americas obsessive relationship with firearms is familiar to me; I know the intoxicating sense of power that a gun bestows, particularly to a young man. But in the aftermath of the terrible violence I witnessed and with the passage of time, I know that guns are dangerous and illusory shortcuts to strength and maturity and no guarantee of personal safety.
After another horrific mass shooting this time at Oregons Umpqua Community College our intractable gun control debate has begun once again, with those who are categorically opposed to rational controls on gun ownership already insisting that a mass shooting is no reason to contemplate new laws. What is it about America and firearms? What makes us different from every other developed country that we tolerate such disproportionate levels of gun violence?
I see the debate about guns through the lens of that teenager surrounded by weapons and by bloodshed and terror created with guns. I can also see it as a hunter and amateur marksman as someone who spent years perfecting the Zen-like art of hitting the head of a pin with a tiny projectile.
Guns are a high. For someone just entering adulthood and grappling with the attendant challenges, emotions and sense of powerlessness, easy access to firearms is easy access to the ultimate drug: the feeling of omnipotence.
In America, that access means that the consequences of contentious interactions between people can more readily turn deadly. According to a report by the Center for American Progress, The easy access youths have to guns across the country creates the opportunity for otherwise nonfatal confrontations between young people to become fatal.
Allowing unfettered access to deadly weapons leads to the carnage were seeing in our schools, our churches, our movie theaters, our shopping malls, and our streets. The frustration expressed by President Obama in his statement about the Oregon shooting is shared by millions of people, like me, who cannot fathom how we permit these travesties to continue.
Those of us who advocate for stronger gun control measures must understand that we are dealing not just with an obsession, but an addiction. And addictions are notoriously hard to break. Meanwhile, the death toll keeps rising.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/04/america-addicted-to-guns-illusion-strength-security
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)14. Obsessed you certainly appear to be.
I have addicts in my family.
Good op, good for thought, which is anathema to christers.
mr blur
(7,753 posts)4. "I'm not addicted to religion...
...I have a personal relationship with Jesus."
Isn 't that what they say?
struggle4progress
(118,294 posts)5. Nobody ever quotes Marx very carefully:
... Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people ...
A Contribution to the Critique of Hegels Philosophy of Right
A Contribution to the Critique of Hegels Philosophy of Right
rug
(82,333 posts)6. They must be addicted to their own ideas.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)15. It helps when you get the whole context
The foundation of irreligious criticism is: Man makes religion, religion does not make man. Religion is, indeed, the self-consciousness and self-esteem of man who has either not yet won through to himself, or has already lost himself again. But man is no abstract being squatting outside the world. Man is the world of man state, society. This state and this society produce religion, which is an inverted consciousness of the world, because they are an inverted world. Religion is the general theory of this world, its encyclopaedic compendium, its logic in popular form, its spiritual point dhonneur, its enthusiasm, its moral sanction, its solemn complement, and its universal basis of consolation and justification. It is the fantastic realization of the human essence since the human essence has not acquired any true reality. The struggle against religion is, therefore, indirectly the struggle against that world whose spiritual aroma is religion.
Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.
The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo.
Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.
The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo.
Marx specifically used the opium analogy to imply the masses are addicted to religion.
struggle4progress
(118,294 posts)17. He says rather more than that:
Criticism has plucked the imaginary flowers on the chain not in order that man shall continue to bear that chain without fantasy or consolation, but so that he shall throw off the chain and pluck the living flower
(and still later, with an entirely breath-taking prescience, Good-natured enthusiasts, Germanomaniacs by extraction and free-thinkers by reflexion, on the contrary, seek our history of freedom beyond our history in the ancient Teutonic forests. But, what difference is there between the history of our freedom and the history of the boars freedom if it can be found only in the forests? Besides, it is common knowledge that the forest echoes back what you shout into it. So peace to the ancient Teutonic forests!)
The essay is brilliant, both intellectually and morally. It contains not only a criticism of religion, but a criticism of the criticism of religion -- warning that we ought not leave our fellows to wear the chain unadorned. The remark -- that struggle against religion is, therefore, indirectly the struggle against that world whose spiritual aroma is religion -- is bitingly double-edged: it suggests, for example, the inadequacy of an indirect struggle against conditions that require illusions. Those conditions, and direct struggle against those conditions, are his actual interest. He would, of course, be happy to replace false consciousness by more realistic consciousness, but does not regard this as an ideological struggle: he regards consciousness as the product of material circumstances and regards material circumstances as the product of actual human activity, so that the struggle to abolish deplorable circumstances involves activity, not mere intellectual analysis
(and still later, with an entirely breath-taking prescience, Good-natured enthusiasts, Germanomaniacs by extraction and free-thinkers by reflexion, on the contrary, seek our history of freedom beyond our history in the ancient Teutonic forests. But, what difference is there between the history of our freedom and the history of the boars freedom if it can be found only in the forests? Besides, it is common knowledge that the forest echoes back what you shout into it. So peace to the ancient Teutonic forests!)
The essay is brilliant, both intellectually and morally. It contains not only a criticism of religion, but a criticism of the criticism of religion -- warning that we ought not leave our fellows to wear the chain unadorned. The remark -- that struggle against religion is, therefore, indirectly the struggle against that world whose spiritual aroma is religion -- is bitingly double-edged: it suggests, for example, the inadequacy of an indirect struggle against conditions that require illusions. Those conditions, and direct struggle against those conditions, are his actual interest. He would, of course, be happy to replace false consciousness by more realistic consciousness, but does not regard this as an ideological struggle: he regards consciousness as the product of material circumstances and regards material circumstances as the product of actual human activity, so that the struggle to abolish deplorable circumstances involves activity, not mere intellectual analysis
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)7. AA's entire strategy is to get people to trade a substance addiction for a god addiction
I'm not sure which is worse.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)10. plus they encourage over-consumption of coffee donuts and tobacco.
the coffee is benign, the donuts and tobacco will kill you about as much as the alcohol will.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)11. True, but suicide seems to be the most efficient method by which AA kills people
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)8. YES
goldent
(1,582 posts)16. Like, totally.
Addiction is the wrong word. Used in the context of the OP, religion, just like to sex or porn "addiction," should be considered a symptom of an underlying psycological issue or problem.