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Related: About this forumMuslim leaders deny ISIS’ religious claims, stoking group’s anger
Death threats are a sign that Muslim religious leaders have antagonized the Islamic State, and their growing influence also contradicts those who claim that Muslim leaders have been silent in the fight against violent extremism.
Imam Suhaib Webb greets attendees before the start of a seminar. The Muslim leader in D.C. has held monthly video chats to rebut the religious claims of the Islamic State group. (DREW ANGERER/NYT)
May 8, 2016 at 6:14 pm
By LAURIE GOODSTEIN
The New York Times
As the military and political battle against the Islamic State group escalates, Muslim imams and scholars in the West are fighting on another front through theology.
Imam Suhaib Webb, a Muslim leader in the District of Columbia, has held live monthly video chats to rebut the religious claims of the Islamic State group, also known as ISIS or ISIL. In a dig at the extremists, he broadcast from ice-cream parlors and called his talks ISIS and ice cream.
Sheikh Hamza Yusuf, an American Muslim scholar based in Berkeley, Calif., has pleaded with Muslims not to be deceived by the stupid young boys of the Islamic State. Millions have watched excerpts from his sermon titled The Crisis of ISIS, in which he wept as he asked God not to blame other Muslims for what these fools amongst us do.
It is a religious rumble that barely makes headlines in the secular West since it is carried out at mosques and Islamic conferences and over social media.
http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/muslim-leaders-deny-isis-religious-claims-stoking-groups-anger/
Cartoonist
(7,321 posts)They need to acknowledge the passages in their Holy books. Same with All holy books.
rug
(82,333 posts)I trust them to say what it means and what it does not mean.
Cartoonist
(7,321 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)FWIW, I found their reference to Kharijites to be highly informative.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khawarij
Did you?
Cartoonist
(7,321 posts)So what else is new in the religious world?
rug
(82,333 posts)Oh wait, you don't think there's such a thing as mainstream Islam. A fine example of cherry-picking.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)I'll take "What Privileged Sheep Say" for $500, Alex.
rug
(82,333 posts)And you'd be wrong - again.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)or are you contradicting yourself. Again
Have a nice day, rug. Feed that last-word compulsion if you have to. I'm done with you.
rug
(82,333 posts)cleanhippie
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rug
(82,333 posts)Jim__
(14,083 posts)About the first 1:15 is in Arabic (I'm guessing it's Arabic) then he switches to mostly English:
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rug
(82,333 posts)potone
(1,701 posts)If you read the story, it is clear that these imams are risking their lives by speaking out. I am dismayed at the knee-jerk reactions of some posters on this thread. Islam--and religion itself--is not going to disappear, so shouldn't we all support those who are trying to prevent it from being used to justify violence, rather than mock them for their religion?
rug
(82,333 posts)It's a very familiar scenario.
You see, some hate all religions, particularly Abrahamic religions, and have never - literally never - posted anything positive about them.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)by rejecting the need for exegesis or schools of interpretation
rug
(82,333 posts)Had to look up ulema.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)Albertoo
(2,016 posts)Not the same kind of bigotry than ISIS. Hamza Yusuf claims that all hadiths are authentic, even though it is pretty much the hadiths which have turned Islam into a sectarian nightmare.
Hamza Yusuf also regularly de-humanizes non-Muslims in a collective 'they', bringing him to lament the fact there are McDonald's in Mecca. Why? Did the custodians of Mecca miss a surah making McDonald's haram per se? Or does Hamza Hanson see McDonald's as 'they'?
Hamza Yusuf is also not above wacky claims: in his cycle about the History of Muhamad, he supports the view that in the 6th century, Europe was more tribal than Arabia.