Like an old celibate bigot should be listened to when it comes to relationships anyway.

his ravings edited and rewritten for the record because they are so ludicrous and insulting.

because he sugarcoats his dogma

the leader of their church to at least appear progressive, so they can rationalize maintaining their membership in and support for what they know deep down is a blatantly bigoted organization.

Then of course there are those who will defend him at every turn, and attack anyone who has the temerity to point out his bigotry, because they're as bigoted as he is.

And the truth points to itself.

catholic apologists everywhere..including here.

Too bad the Meta Forum was closed.

The truth does point to itself.

He's like having to listen to an unmarried marriage counsellor.

Do you disagree with that?

Which in some areas can take years if it ever happens at all.

Yep, the only thing better than getting the government involved in your relationship is getting the church involved.

Sounds like it.

I'd like to see if you can actually discuss a topic without mentioning "Frank".

Sweet Jebus your game of strawman bullshit is so fun anyone can play!

The OP mentioned Frank as did you, but I can't. Brilliant!

Rephrasing is a sophomore's game.

I take it then you think the primary reason people split up is abuse.

The strawman is people are compelled to split up because of divorce.

An ignorant position.

So it must have been you that strawmaned that word into my mouth.

Now go start a thread warning everyone that abuse is the leading case of divorce.

Don't blame me where it lands.

Please do continue, though, like always. I'm enjoying the show.

Own your own shit.

I don't think you're really enjoying this.

Contrary to what you might think, I do thoroughly enjoy seeing how far your bullshit can be thrown, not to mention how deep the apologia goes.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/johnshore/2015/05/how-churches-can-help-stop-domestic-violence/
http://religionnews.com/2014/09/12/whyistayed-churches-support-spousal-abuse/

Francis said not a word about abuse, nor was it mentioned at all in the article. He spoke about the lack of commitment that's prevalent.

You, for reasons that reside somewhere in your cortex, felt compelled to snidely suggest that "Frank" wants people to stay in abusive marriages.

And that was the high point of your remarks.

I never claimed Frank said anything about abuse. In fact, my point was he DIDN'T say anything about abuse while claiming the real problem is people are just not staying in bad marriages. Neither did I say abuse was the "primary" (your word, not mine) cause of divorce.

Now let's explore an ACTUAL case of strawman bullshit rather than one that is attributable to Freudian projection:

First of all, your introduction of abuse to a comment about commitment is a red herring, not a strawman.

Second, it is a complete non sequitur.

Third, your comments have neen no more than lame ad hominems.

Finally, you could have saved yourself the effort of typing your last paragraph. It's been found.

If you want to pretend otherwise, it only provides evidence that you simply won't own up to your own bullshit, as if more were needed.

First of all, the Catholic church has been compelling people to stay in abusive marriages for centuries and still does to this day. If you think this isn't relevant to Frank's comments, it only shows your worship of Frank is far greater than any respect you might offer for the victims of that abuse. But since the pederasty of the RCC presents no such obstacle for you either, I can't say I'm surprised.

Second, red herring and non sequitur are two different things. If you can't differentiate between the two, then it simply provides evidence of your ignorance of what constitutes a logical fallacy, as if more were needed, while you simultaneously and hilariously try to lecture others on what constitutes a logical fallacy.

Third, I find it quite rich when someone who gets put in time out for repeatedly engaging in personal attacks attempts to lecture me on the lameness of personal attacks.

It's simply foolish.

If not else, you're no longer resorting to gifs.

BTW, props for bringing pederasty into the discussion. It proves the point.

Don't respond to me if you don't want and see how my Give-A-Fuck-O-Meter responds.

Or do. I can always use the chuckle.

And religion never changes!

A celibate man that has never married or been in a long term relationship (except of course with a mythical being) judges people in committed relationships and criticizes them before they have even failed to live up to HIS expectations of their marriage bonds.

Am I close???

I would further add that same celibate pointed hat man is promoting fake morals handed down from a time when people believed the sun orbited the earth and routinely sold the vast majority of women into slavery.

He's talking about two things.

1) The lack of commitment and impermanence of relationships. You don't have to be celibate to note that.

2) He's also referring specifically to sacramental, not civil, marriages. It's a core teaching that marriage is a sacrament that should not be entered into unless you plan for it to be a life's decision.

He's not judging "people in committed relationship" at all. Quite the opposite.

He most certainly is criticizing people who are married where he has no evidence that they will not be together for the entirety of their life.

No one is talking about Trump - all thought they are both ASSHATS....so I guess we can discuss them both here.

This man is full of JUDGEMENT he is judging people he does not even know.

Lastly, he knows NOTHING about commitment or impermanence or relationships for that matter. He has not been in one and does not understand that one human can treat another in such a way that it destroys the relationship.

When his and your mythical God make people kind and gentle there will be no divorce. People divorce for a reason my friend and almost always a good reason. Judging them does not fix anything, nor does it show compassion.

Okay, while you wait for God to "make" people kind, I'll see what I can do in the meantime. Not that I'm very good at it.

If you think there is "almost always a good reason" for divorce, you're naive.

Nevertheless, he's not talking about divorce. He's talking about marrying and committing for a good reason.

are the real assholes. He's totally programmed and indoctrinated, but they should know better. Right, dude?