Religion
Related: About this forumFaith and Values: Religious experience and ordinary believers
Lloyd Steffen is university chaplain and professor of religion studies at Lehigh University.
April 28, 2012
William James, American philosopher and psychologist, pondered the role that experience plays in the religious lives of both ordinary believers and in the lives of what he called religious geniuses. In his 1902 book, "The Varieties of Religious Experience," James writes that religious geniuses are those people for whom religion comes not "as a dull habit, but as an acute fever." They experience religion in such a way that their beliefs get entangled with fixed ideas and obsessions, and they show signs of "nervous instability" and even "abnormal psychically visitations" that the psychologist might deem "pathological."
On these terms, few of us would even want to fit the category of "religious genius," but James' description of "ordinary believers" does look a bit dull. Ordinary believers are those whose religion has been "made for them by others," "communicated by tradition" and "retained by habit," so they seem passive, receptive and uninspired. This is not the exciting language of an "acute fever," yet these contrasting descriptions raise an interesting question about what "religious experience" means in the lives of "ordinary believers."
There is really no such thing as a religious experience divorced from a person's willingness to interpret an experience as religious. That statement may itself seem plain and quite dull, but is it not the case that we have all kinds of experiences all day long every day of our lives and only rarely do we cull one out as "religious"?
A religious experience then is not simply a disclosure from beyond the limits of our own very small and ordinary perceptions and interpretations, but our willingness to expand our own range of interpretation.
http://www.mcall.com/features/religion/mc-features-faithsteffan-20120428,0,2927455.story
Forgive me for posting a story on religious experience in the Religion Group.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)being inversely correlated with religiosity.
Although all the titles I have seen basically read as "Thinking people tend to be less religious", there is another way to interpret it. Intuitiveness is positively correlated with religiousness.
Perhaps allowing oneself to experience something is what makes the difference.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)(with the author) that religious experiences are entirely human inventions, and not the result of any "god" that exists independently of the minds of his/her/its believers.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)Psychologist and Philosopher William James described four characteristics of religious / mystical experience in The Varieties of Religious Experience. According to James, such an experience is:
Transient -- the experience is temporary; the individual soon returns to a "normal" frame of mind. It is outside our normal perception of space and time.
Ineffable -- the experience cannot be adequately put into words.
Noetic -- the individual feels that he or she has learned something valuable from the experience. Gives us knowledge that is normally hidden from human understanding.
Passive -- the experience happens to the individual, largely without conscious control. Although there are activities, such as meditation (see below), that can make religious experience more likely, it is not something that can be turned on and off at will.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_experience#William_James.27_definition
Here's the complete text:
http://selfdefinition.org/christian/William%20James%20-%20Varieties%20of%20Religious%20Experience.pdf
patrice
(47,992 posts)refer to.
Words ARE useful, but they are not identical with that to which they only refer - AND - we SHOULD, nay, we NEEEEEEED to value that difference.
Trying to make a God out of words is a huge fucking mistake.
mr blur
(7,753 posts)like we do with most of the stuff you post.
rug
(82,333 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)It describes those moments which are mostly used by the religious but which most likely both the religious and the non experience. These can indeed be the best experiences of ones life. It neither exalts it nor diminishes it by recognizing that this is just part of being human.
rug
(82,333 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)Certainly the big name atheists are because non-believers have those type of experiences as well as the religious.
Maybe it will not catch on. But I like it because it allows non-believers to talk about their numinous experiences without using spiritual or religious. Of course, not wanting a rhetorical argument there may be other words that would suffice.
Always like reading your posts.
rug
(82,333 posts)Even though it's been used since antiquity to describe a sense of the divine, it fits as well with a sense of connection to something much larger than an individual.
We are all star stuff.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)... when we humans have an emotional experience to jump on the supernatural band wagon.
Just because unfathomably ignorant people in the past made up supernatural explanations for intense (and not so intense) emotional states doesn't mean that IS the explanation. Why it is considered "open minded" to simply jump to some conclusions someone made up in the Stone Age, or even before, is beyond me.
The supernatural is superfluous.
laconicsax
(14,860 posts)You're in prime position to get a response about the ever-shrinking deity.