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Heddi

(18,312 posts)
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 03:19 PM Mar 2017

2nd Opinion: What about the spiritual condition of extraterrestrial life?

https://www.baptiststandard.com/opinion/other/20017-2nd-opinion-what-about-the-spiritual-condition-of-extraterrestrial-life
The question of extraterrestrial life—intelligent or otherwise—is faith-based. While individuals can "believe" whatever they wish, they may be wrong. It simply isn't known yet whether life is present on those planets. Maybe it's there; maybe not.

But faith, misguided or real, is operative here. Faith that:

• If there's water, some rudimentary form of life must exist.

• More advanced creatures could exist there.

• Life finds a way, if you endorse the evolutionary scheme of things; I don't.

• God is free to create other life separately from human concerns; yet the specialness of human beings isn't compromised.

• Intelligent beings not made in God's image are a creative possibility.

• Intelligent beings, if made in God's image, remain unfallen, or if fallen, a redemptive plan is under way; problematic because Jesus Christ is the God-man forever.

• Any blueprint for the new heaven and earth will somehow include all planets everywhere.

Regardless, we won't be going to TRAPPIST-1 anytime soon to find answers. But wait a second. If any of the planets somehow should prove dangerous, isn't it our fault? Or at least Adam and Eve's?

Fall “here”

Scholars disagree, too, about the extent to which earthly natural phenomena—volcanoes, hurricanes, floods, fires, etc.—can be linked to Adam's sin. Why so? Because the text doesn't teach unequivocally they're the result of Adam's curse per se. It's only a projected inference and conceivably not the sole reason they recur. Paraphrasing it, Genesis 3:17-19 merely states Adam and his progeny will have a much tougher time growing food! No more, no less.

Few, then, should contend colliding galaxies billions of light-years away are the manifest result of Adam and Eve, disobedient to God as they were, eating a piece of fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Proving this from the biblical text is impossible, and making the fall the justifiable cause for the way the universe, near or far, naturally functions is, well, a leap of logic unsupported by evidence, an inference out of whack.

Accordingly, if God in his providence has placed conscious life on other planets, intelligent or not, there must be a reason, one with no real capacity to sabotage the Christian worldview and faith.


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2nd Opinion: What about the spiritual condition of extraterrestrial life? (Original Post) Heddi Mar 2017 OP
But the earth is flat and the stars are just stuck to the bubble around the firmament. Lint Head Mar 2017 #1
People with a belief, and an associated agenda, guillaumeb Mar 2017 #2
surely you don't mean to say HAB911 Mar 2017 #3
I cannot speak for anyone except (generally) myself. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #5
Works of fiction remain works of fiction... uriel1972 Mar 2017 #7
But people differ as to what constitutes fiction, and what is narrative. eom guillaumeb Mar 2017 #8
a story is a story... uriel1972 Mar 2017 #9
A narrative can be a story and reality. eom guillaumeb Mar 2017 #10
If a narrative coincides directly with reality... uriel1972 Mar 2017 #13
The Platonic position summarized very well. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #15
Ouch! Like alternative facts?! HAB911 Mar 2017 #14
No. The narrative is a way of explaining what is otherwise incomprehensible. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #16
Maybe there is a world somewhere Curmudgeoness Mar 2017 #4
What a Trumpian fantasy. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #6
Well that was interesting. hrmjustin Mar 2017 #11
+1 EvolveOrConvolve Mar 2017 #12
They are probably Christian Goblinmonger Mar 2017 #17

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
2. People with a belief, and an associated agenda,
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 03:21 PM
Mar 2017

can always find something to support their beliefs and agendas.

Of course that applies equally well to theists and non-theists.

Agreed?

uriel1972

(4,261 posts)
7. Works of fiction remain works of fiction...
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 08:00 PM
Mar 2017

no matter how deeply you believe.

I don't see athiests going to war over the exact nature of "Neuromancer" the AI.

uriel1972

(4,261 posts)
9. a story is a story...
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 08:55 PM
Mar 2017

narratives are stories and are not reality. Some narratives may be closer to reality than others, but they are not reality itself.

uriel1972

(4,261 posts)
13. If a narrative coincides directly with reality...
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 11:55 PM
Mar 2017

then I would be shocked.

Frail, feeble and fallible humanity perceives through it's senses mediated by the brain. No matter how hard we try we cannot perceive things exactly as they are. Reality is elusive to us.

Narratives close to reality is the best we can hope for, even with the best of scientific intentions, there will be limits to what we can perceive. If a narrative coincides exactly with reality that will be a coincidence. Even then it will remain a narrative, a story, not reality itself.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
15. The Platonic position summarized very well.
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 11:42 AM
Mar 2017

Wherein we see only the reflections of things.

And if there is a Creator, it is likely that human intelligence could not really comprehend the Creator's motivations and abilities. We generally do interpret motivation by our own personal experience.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
16. No. The narrative is a way of explaining what is otherwise incomprehensible.
Sat Mar 4, 2017, 11:43 AM
Mar 2017

And it can still reflect reality in some aspects.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
4. Maybe there is a world somewhere
Fri Mar 3, 2017, 04:27 PM
Mar 2017

with people made in God's image, just like we were, but they have never eaten the Forbidden Fruit, so they are still living in Eden.

They will be real rubes when we meet them. We can rob them blind.

Got off track here...what was the subject?

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