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guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
Tue Apr 4, 2017, 05:16 PM Apr 2017

A Muslims Advice To American Christians

From the article:

The opening week of 2017 saw the publication of a remarkable book, Letters to a Young Muslim, written by Omar Saif Ghobash, the United Arab Emirates ambassador to Russia. Letters is a series of reflections about Islam explicitly addressed to the author’s teenage son but also, implicitly, to the entire Muslim Ummah, or worldwide community.
The book doubtlessly will stick in the craws of Americans who persist in believing, contrary to both evidence and common sense, that Islam is a monolithic cult of hatred and violence. It will also infuriate ISIS thugs besotted by their violence-soaked vision of a resurrected caliphate.


To read more;The opening week of 2017 saw the publication of a remarkable book, Letters to a Young Muslim, written by Omar Saif Ghobash, the United Arab Emirates ambassador to Russia. Letters is a series of reflections about Islam explicitly addressed to the author’s teenage son but also, implicitly, to the entire Muslim Ummah, or worldwide community.
The book doubtlessly will stick in the craws of Americans who persist in believing, contrary to both evidence and common sense, that Islam is a monolithic cult of hatred and violence. It will also infuriate ISIS thugs besotted by their violence-soaked vision of a resurrected caliphate:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/a-muslims-advice-to-american-christians_us_5874dab1e4b0eb9e49bfbf47?section=us_religion

And this excerpt is also interesting:

There’s no finesse, no gradation of virtues or vices, no gray moral zone, no room for compassion or letting-live, in either the Islamist or Christian zealot world.


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A Muslims Advice To American Christians (Original Post) guillaumeb Apr 2017 OP
This excerpt is more interesting: trotsky Apr 2017 #1
The author speaks of people using a belief to support their own actions. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #2
You didn't address my point. trotsky Apr 2017 #3
The author is full of shit. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2017 #4
People claim motivation from a variety of sources. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #5
tl;dr Act_of_Reparation Apr 2017 #6
How do you define "distortion"? Igel Apr 2017 #7
Yep, that's the point. trotsky Apr 2017 #8

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
1. This excerpt is more interesting:
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 09:18 AM
Apr 2017
Because Islamist distortions of Islam and Christian zealot distortions of Christianity see moral corruption and imminent disaster everywhere...

The key word here is 'distortions." Like so many other moderate believers, the author simply puts on blinders and REFUSES to see how his own religion, his own holy book, actually DOES contain elements that support these "distorted" interpretations. He just ignores or dismisses them.

In other words, he becomes just like the Islamists he condemns, insisting that HE has the only true interpretation of his religion, and they are wrong.

Figures.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
2. The author speaks of people using a belief to support their own actions.
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 10:38 AM
Apr 2017

A universal tendency.

And unlike the violent ones, the author does not engage in violent conversion.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
4. The author is full of shit.
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 01:45 PM
Apr 2017

Which, if not a universal tendency, is pretty widespread around these parts.

Local mythology has it people are just assholes, and they do bad things because assholes do bad things. And then, for reasons not fully explained, these assholes are deeply concerned about how people perceive them, and vigorously obscure their inherent assholishness behind fake religious motivations.



The trouble is we don't apply this principal to anything but cases of religious violence. If a racist says he killed fourteen black people because he hates black people, no one questions whether he's using racism to a hook from which he hangs his inherent violent tendencies. When some right wing fanatic detonates a bomb in a government building, no one questions whether he's using his libertarianism or his collection of cocked up conspiracy theories as excuses to kill people. Hell, we don't even question it whenever some self-absorbed fuckrag says he shot a commuter to death over a minor traffic offense.

But whenever someone says they kill, injure, or otherwise harm their fellow beings because their religion commands it, they're fucking liars. Because reasons.



Give it a rest, already. This bullshit argument is so full of holes it isn't even worth defending.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
5. People claim motivation from a variety of sources.
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 03:11 PM
Apr 2017

But since the vast majority of people do not commit violence, it is far too simplistic to blame the claimed source rather than the person actually committing the violence.

Igel

(35,317 posts)
7. How do you define "distortion"?
Wed Apr 5, 2017, 08:09 PM
Apr 2017

Is it a variety of Christianity that isn't Christian?

Define "Christian"? Huguenots and others were killed because one Xian sect rejected the other's self-definition. Now many such groups are "mainstream" and are doing the same.

Meanwhile, the entire "we don't allow bid'ah" and "we don't allow fitna" tends to be deep-rooted in many--not a hundred, not a thousand, not just a hundred thousand or even a mere million--Muslims' minds.

In fact, the entire advocacy movement for Muslims for a decade tended to assert that there was one Islam. Instead of decrying the false Islam of the 9/11 hijackers, many Muslim "authorities" did everything possible to discount that they could even be Muslim. There are 4 pillars of Islam; anyone who says the shehada is Muslim; etc. You don't hear this talk these days because it simply didn't work. Now, did those now insisting that there's a variety of Islams suddenly change their minds and admit they were pathetically wrong, or is it just another attempt to say, "Hey, don't judge me, bro."

This is a deep-rooted problem in most communities. It keeps them from facing internal problems and maximizes the number of people on one's own side.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
8. Yep, that's the point.
Thu Apr 6, 2017, 09:19 AM
Apr 2017

Let's say I'm a Christian. A "distortion" of Christianity is anything that I don't believe. Ta da! Works for liberals, conservatives, and everyone in between.

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