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trotsky

(49,533 posts)
Thu Apr 27, 2017, 03:07 PM Apr 2017

Templeton abandons pretense of rationality, awards Templeton Prize to... intelligent-design advocate

https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2017/04/27/templeton-abandons-pretense-of-rationality-awards-templeton-prize-to-alvin-plantinga-intelligent-design-advocate/

Reader Mark called my attention to the fact that John Templeton Foundation (JTF) has bestowed its annual Templeton Prize on someone who’s not only a deeply misguided religious philosopher, but also has promoted intelligent design and criticized naturalism. Yes, it’s Alvin Plantinga, an 84-year-old emeritus professor of philosophy at Notre Dame and also a professor at Calvin College (he’s a Calvinist of sorts). I’ve written about Plantinga and his claims a lot on this site (go here to see what I’ve said): his main schtick is to claim that it’s not irrational to believe in God; that therefore it’s rational to believe in God; that the existence of God is a “basic belief” that doesn’t require empirical justification; that such belief comes from a divinely installed sensus divinitatis that allows us to detect truth; that because the truth-detector has to come from God, what it finds, like scientific “truths”, is incompatible with pure naturalism; that evolution was guided by GOD AND SATAN; that the God who installed our sensus is none other than Plantinga’s Christian God (surprise!); and that the presence of atheists, Hindus, Jews, and the majority of people with “false beliefs” simply had broken sensuses, which were due to, yes, the actions of SATAN!

Indeed, Plantinga does believe in the Hornéd One. Here’s a quote from his 2011 book, Where the Conflict Really Lies: Science, Religion, and Naturalism, explaining why there is undeserved evil in the world (my emphasis):

But any world that contains atonement will contain sin and evil and consequent suffering and pain. Furthermore, if the remedy is to be proportionate to the sickness, such a world will contain a great deal of sin and a great deal of suffering and pain. Still further, it may very well contain sin and suffering, not just on the part of human beings but perhaps also on the part of other creatures as well. Indeed, some of these other creatures might be vastly more powerful than human beings, and some of them—Satan and his minions, for example—may have been permitted to play a role in the evolution of life on earth, steering it in the direction of predation, waste and pain. (Some may snort with disdain at this suggestion; it is none the worse for that.)


Yes it is the worse for that, for where’s the evidence for Satan? That’s some scholarly theodicy, no? And for such lucubrations, Plantinga got £1.1 million—more than a Nobel Prizewinner.
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Templeton abandons pretense of rationality, awards Templeton Prize to... intelligent-design advocate (Original Post) trotsky Apr 2017 OP
That's nuts. I'll go along with a belief in God can be rational... TreasonousBastard Apr 2017 #1
What is the Templeton Prize? guillaumeb Apr 2017 #2
Is intelligent design insightful? Act_of_Reparation Apr 2017 #3
The prize is awarded for religious scholarship. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #4
No shit. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2017 #7
Jerry Coyne is spitting again. rug Apr 2017 #5
Templeton himself was fairly progressive for his time Bretton Garcia Apr 2017 #6
Yeah, it's pretty sad how pathetic the award has become. trotsky Apr 2017 #8

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
1. That's nuts. I'll go along with a belief in God can be rational...
Thu Apr 27, 2017, 06:18 PM
Apr 2017

but the rest of it is batshit crazy.

And for that he gets a million pounds?

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
2. What is the Templeton Prize?
Thu Apr 27, 2017, 06:55 PM
Apr 2017
The Templeton Prize honors a living person who has made an exceptional contribution to affirming life’s spiritual dimension, whether through insight, discovery, or practical works.


http://www.templetonprize.org/purpose.html

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
3. Is intelligent design insightful?
Thu Apr 27, 2017, 08:01 PM
Apr 2017

Did they discover something that might suggest it isn't complete bullshit? Did they find some practical use for it?

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
4. The prize is awarded for religious scholarship.
Thu Apr 27, 2017, 08:14 PM
Apr 2017

What the criteria are, and how the nominee fits, is something that one assumes is considered by the awarding committee.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
5. Jerry Coyne is spitting again.
Thu Apr 27, 2017, 09:58 PM
Apr 2017

Actually, his work concerns the problem of evil as much as Creation (which is not the same as all as "Intelligent Design&quot .

Coyne should go back to science and give up antitheist internet blogging. That or, at a minimum, take the time to understand what he's given his life to attacking.

Bretton Garcia

(970 posts)
6. Templeton himself was fairly progressive for his time
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 06:19 AM
Apr 2017

He had some genuine interest in objective science.

But when he died? Predictably the people who took over his trust were lesser, more pious minds. Who even rewrote his mission statement, to something more familiarly "spiritual."

Somebody should sue them for violating the terms of the trust. But they are well financed.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
8. Yeah, it's pretty sad how pathetic the award has become.
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 09:03 AM
Apr 2017

"Intelligent design" stands in direct opposition to legitimate scientific inquiry. When it comes down to it, this is the core conflict between religion and science: the religionist insists the universe must include their god.

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