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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 07:36 AM Jun 2017

It's weird how closely Trump fits the biblical definiton of the Anti-Christ.

https://www.openbible.info/topics/the_antichrist

and the whole earth marveled as they followed the beast. And they worshiped the dragon, for he had given his authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who can fight against it?” And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words, and it was allowed to exercise authority for forty-two months.

...

Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.

...

In his place shall arise a contemptible person to whom royal majesty has not been given. He shall come in without warning and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.

...

He shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High, and shall think to change the times and the law; and they shall be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.

...

And Jesus answered them, “See that no one leads you astray. For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and they will lead many astray.

...

He shall pay no attention to the gods of his fathers, or to the one beloved by women. He shall not pay attention to any other god, for he shall magnify himself above all.



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In totally unrelated news, Trump has just revealed that he regards the world not as a place where we care for each other, where we love our neighbor. He regards it as a place where individuals battle each other for dominance and riches.
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It's weird how closely Trump fits the biblical definiton of the Anti-Christ. (Original Post) DetlefK Jun 2017 OP
I've been surprised more people haven't picked up on this. Since about day one IMO he certainly fit RKP5637 Jun 2017 #1
The book "Late Great Planet Earth" has all the details FakeNoose Jun 2017 #22
Forty-two months? Oh, lordy. tanyev Jun 2017 #2
42 is the ultimate answer to life, the universe, and everything Glorfindel Jun 2017 #13
42! FM123 Jun 2017 #28
42 months is nothing barbtries Jun 2017 #15
My wife and I have discussed that lately NRaleighLiberal Jun 2017 #3
Jarid owns the building with the 666 address. rickford66 Jun 2017 #4
You mean Trump fits the general description of a demagogue? Act_of_Reparation Jun 2017 #5
As you can see, it's more than that: DetlefK Jun 2017 #11
What is "the opposite of the teachings of Jesus Christ"? trotsky Jun 2017 #12
It's "love your neighbor". DetlefK Jun 2017 #16
A curious message for a man who clearly believed in eternal punishment for not believing in him. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2017 #20
So who is your neighbor? Mariana Jun 2017 #21
And also 'Fuck this tree'. Mark 11:12-25 AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #23
OK, what does "love your neighbor" mean? trotsky Jun 2017 #25
"Be excellent to each other." DetlefK Jun 2017 #32
Actually I have asked different Christians, and have gotten different answers. trotsky Jun 2017 #36
Jesus's message was clearly love your neighbor and Trump has failed big time. hrmjustin Jun 2017 #29
No, I don't see that. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2017 #17
I was thinking this yesterday. liberalmuse Jun 2017 #6
his followers have taken the Number of the Beast kaotikross Jun 2017 #7
This needs to be laid out visually in a graphic that can be reposted widely jmbar2 Jun 2017 #8
I have thought this since before he was elected. Just the fact that the Evangelicals worship him appleannie1943 Jun 2017 #9
It's often struck me this zentrum Jun 2017 #10
Doesn't even matter if it's hocus pocus.. the fact that so many annabanana Jun 2017 #14
The forty-two month reign seems about right. Ligyron Jun 2017 #18
I disagree Runningdawg Jun 2017 #19
Hear! Hear! solara Jun 2017 #35
Lost me on the first sentence. AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #24
Antichrist implies some sort of demonic, supernatural powers... HopeAgain Jun 2017 #26
Understanding dark sentences Abymei Jun 2017 #27
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn" covfefe DetlefK Jun 2017 #34
Hmm, let's see.... world wide wally Jun 2017 #30
I do believe in the second coming of Christ but I certainly hope Trump doesn't bring in some form of hrmjustin Jun 2017 #31
Trump may indeed be a type and shadow of the Anti-Christ... ADX Jun 2017 #33
I've had that thought in the back of my head AwakeAtLast Jun 2017 #37
There appear to have been many antichrists already, including a few popes. Voltaire2 Jun 2017 #38
The name "Donald" means "ruler of this world." Bretton Garcia Jun 2017 #39

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
1. I've been surprised more people haven't picked up on this. Since about day one IMO he certainly fit
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 07:59 AM
Jun 2017

the description of an Anti-Christ.

FakeNoose

(32,739 posts)
22. The book "Late Great Planet Earth" has all the details
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 10:20 AM
Jun 2017

I read that book back in the 70's (I was right out of college then) but I still remember a lot of the details.
The author's name is Hal Lindsay I think.

That book will send shivers up your spine, the anti-Christ he describes in that book sounds just like Trump. The way he got elected sound just about right too according to the predictions. Even scarier is the timing of it. Hal Lindsay predicted it would happen in the early part of the 21st century, but I don't think he gave the exact year. His predictions were taken from scriptures in the Bible.

I have to find that book and re-read it now.







Glorfindel

(9,733 posts)
13. 42 is the ultimate answer to life, the universe, and everything
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 09:51 AM
Jun 2017

according to the Deep Thought computer in "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" series of books.

barbtries

(28,811 posts)
15. 42 months is nothing
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 09:53 AM
Jun 2017

didn't Methuselah live to 900? Sarah give birth at the age of 99?
by that method of timekeeping Trump won't be around til the end of the year.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
11. As you can see, it's more than that:
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 09:32 AM
Jun 2017

- a demagogue
- hailed by the masses as a new prophet
- put into power by flatteries
- thinks of himself as the highest power
- preaches the opposite of the teachings of Jesus Christ

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
12. What is "the opposite of the teachings of Jesus Christ"?
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 09:40 AM
Jun 2017

Has someone determined exactly what the "teachings of Jesus Christ" are? Last I checked, the thousands of different Christian sects disagreed.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
16. It's "love your neighbor".
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 09:53 AM
Jun 2017

And Trump's speeches in Europe and his speech on the retraction from the Paris treaty have revealed his world-view that the world is not a place for loving your neighbor: It's a place where you fight your neighbor for power and money. That's what he's preaching.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
20. A curious message for a man who clearly believed in eternal punishment for not believing in him.
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 10:15 AM
Jun 2017

To paraphrase Bill Hicks: eternal pain and suffering awaits all who question his infinite love.

A tad problematic.

Mariana

(14,860 posts)
21. So who is your neighbor?
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 10:19 AM
Jun 2017

It's real easy to decide that those illegal aliens, or those Europeans, or those people of color, etc. aren't your neighbors.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
25. OK, what does "love your neighbor" mean?
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 10:32 AM
Jun 2017

And why don't all Christians agree that is THE teaching, and agree on what it means?

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
32. "Be excellent to each other."
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 11:14 AM
Jun 2017

And I'm pretty sure, if you bothered to ask some Christians, they all would have given you that answer.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
36. Actually I have asked different Christians, and have gotten different answers.
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 11:47 AM
Jun 2017

Some say the key teaching is to obey god and his commandments. Others say it is the forgiveness of sins. And if you delve deeper into what the words in those answers mean, you'll get even more variation and disagreement.

The point here, not sure if you are intentionally trying to miss it, is that there actually IS disagreement, even among Christians, as to what the "teachings of Jesus" are. It's not as black-and-white as you are portraying it.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
17. No, I don't see that.
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 10:07 AM
Jun 2017
- a demagogue
- hailed by the masses as a new prophet
- put into power by flatteries
- thinks of himself as the highest power


All common traits of a demagogue. There is literally nothing unique about Donald Trump. He's just the latest iteration in a long line of detestable fucks who found a path to power in the inveterate stupidity of the general public.

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
6. I was thinking this yesterday.
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 09:11 AM
Jun 2017

I'm borderline atheist, but have read the Bible a few times and he does fit the description.

kaotikross

(246 posts)
7. his followers have taken the Number of the Beast
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 09:11 AM
Jun 2017

They've accepted him with every MAGA hat and Trump-branded item they gleefully adorn themselves with.

jmbar2

(4,906 posts)
8. This needs to be laid out visually in a graphic that can be reposted widely
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 09:23 AM
Jun 2017

I'm not a good enough artist to do it, but it is a powerful warning -- especially combined with Jared's 666 building. Great job, DetlefK.

appleannie1943

(1,303 posts)
9. I have thought this since before he was elected. Just the fact that the Evangelicals worship him
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 09:24 AM
Jun 2017

and claim he was sent by God made me think he was the antichrist. Many will be fooled.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
10. It's often struck me this
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 09:27 AM
Jun 2017

...way and I'm not a biblical person. Seems so clear that not only the Trumpsters (Bannon, Miller et al) personally fit the profile but even more the anti-christ is an ideology of hate, greed, cruelty, violence, racism, lying. I'd say It's here.



annabanana

(52,791 posts)
14. Doesn't even matter if it's hocus pocus.. the fact that so many
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 09:51 AM
Jun 2017

buy into it makes it necessary to parse.

Ligyron

(7,639 posts)
18. The forty-two month reign seems about right.
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 10:10 AM
Jun 2017

It means we'll be rid of him by Valentine's Day or, wait ... President's Day!

Praise Jesus!!

Runningdawg

(4,522 posts)
19. I disagree
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 10:13 AM
Jun 2017

EVERYONE is supposed to LOVE the anti-christ. ALL are supposed to be fooled. Even if I believed in that BS, Trump ain't it.

solara

(3,836 posts)
35. Hear! Hear!
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 11:29 AM
Jun 2017

I agree with you - plus there are so many versions of "The Bible" How does anyone know for sure which one is the "right" one. There are subtle differences in all the myriad texts.

And many scholars are of the mind that John may have actually tripping (quite literally) when he "received" Revelations. There are a few references throughout the Bible to momentary madness likely cause by ergot - (A mold on rye bread) "In the Greek New Testament the Gospel Tare is cited as ???ά??? Zizánia, a lolium rye which grows as darnel among good wheat and is host to the parasitic fungal infection Claviceps tulasne (purpurea), the ergot mould, in which ergoline alkaloids, mainly derivatives of lysergic acid, can be found."
http://www.drugabuseinscripture.co.uk/html/the_tare.html#.WTGDtjOZMxE

"What's that in the bread, it's gone to my head" - Andrew Lloyd Webber/Tim Rice

If you consider the rigid and dark aspects of religion in the Dark Ages before the Christ, the terrible visions John had would most likely be typical of a bad trip in that time.

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AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
24. Lost me on the first sentence.
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 10:26 AM
Jun 2017

"and the whole earth marveled as they followed the beast"

The whole world does not marvel at Trump nor our election of him. He's reviled around the world, and by fully half the US population.

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
26. Antichrist implies some sort of demonic, supernatural powers...
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 10:32 AM
Jun 2017

This twit is just a base demagogue with nothing more than the ability to peddle false promises and cash in on fear. He's one of many such leaders in history, including some Roman Emperors (about whom Revelations was really about).

There are no devils, just people who act like them.

Abymei

(2 posts)
27. Understanding dark sentences
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 10:35 AM
Jun 2017

I am starting to think Spicer was correct, covfefe was no mistake. It was for insiders

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
34. "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn" covfefe
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 11:24 AM
Jun 2017

Lovecraft's Cthulhu-themed novels (though he doesn't show up in all of them) were about the imminent threat of an ancient power returning/awakening. And if it were to return/awaken, it would destroy human civilization, replacing it with monstrous, dark cults of debauchery, perversion, violence.

world wide wally

(21,754 posts)
30. Hmm, let's see....
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 10:57 AM
Jun 2017

He's orange (not red, but close)
He is greedy, proud, slothful, gluttonous, hateful, lustful, and he lies constantly.
RHe owns (sold to his son in law) the property at 666.
He is also spiteful, self centered, decieptful and indulgent.
He lives in a gilded cage in the sky for appearance' sake (wings?)
Did I mention that he lies a lot?
Has his acolytes spreading his word for him.

Nah. Can't be

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
31. I do believe in the second coming of Christ but I certainly hope Trump doesn't bring in some form of
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 11:01 AM
Jun 2017

Armageddon. I think the Rapture people are hoping he brings on Armageddon.

 

ADX

(1,622 posts)
33. Trump may indeed be a type and shadow of the Anti-Christ...
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 11:20 AM
Jun 2017

...but he himself is not the actual Son of Perdition. He exhibits some but not all of the traits, characteristics, and prerequisites necessary to be deemed such.

Voltaire2

(13,137 posts)
38. There appear to have been many antichrists already, including a few popes.
Fri Jun 2, 2017, 05:38 PM
Jun 2017

Pre-reformation:

John XV.
Gregory VII
Gregory IX

Post reformation: the papacy itself.

During the counter reformation the RCC conveniently decided that the book of daniel was recounting events in the distant past (preterism) and the book of revelations was referring only to the distant future end of times, thus getting the papacy off the hook by not a) being in the distant past and b) this is obviously not the end of times.

More of this blathering gibberish here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antichrist

Bretton Garcia

(970 posts)
39. The name "Donald" means "ruler of this world."
Sat Jun 3, 2017, 05:05 AM
Jun 2017

Who in the Bible is either the devil, or the antiChrist, or one of their primary arms.

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