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trotsky

(49,533 posts)
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 09:54 AM Jun 2017

Court rules against gay man who sued Catholic church over firing: 'We are creating a church of fear'

Sad. Religious bigotry and religious privilege prevail.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-catholic-church-gay-employee-lawsuit-met-20170607-story.html

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Weeks after a federal judge ruled against a gay man who'd sued over his firing from a suburban Catholic parish, Colin Collette said he still struggles with a "sense of abandonment by the church."

Collette, the music director at Holy Family Catholic Community in Inverness, was with the parish for 17 years before he was let go in 2014 after announcing he was engaged to his same-sex partner.

He filed a lawsuit against the church and the Archdiocese of Chicago last year, alleging discrimination and seeking reinstatement of his job, lost wages and damages.

...

The judge concluded that the job Collette held was "critical to the spiritual and pastoral mission of the church." While that might speak to Collette's high standing in the parish, the judge determined that it placed him within an exemption that churches have from some employee discrimination laws.

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Court rules against gay man who sued Catholic church over firing: 'We are creating a church of fear' (Original Post) trotsky Jun 2017 OP
I'm not aware of any other kind of corporation that could get away with blantant discrimination. AtheistCrusader Jun 2017 #1
As long as most believers continue to be oblivious to the benefits of religious privilege. trotsky Jun 2017 #2
Yes but dont forget Heddi Jun 2017 #3
I believe that it was a unanimous decision. guillaumeb Jun 2017 #4
That they are all christians. Cartoonist Jun 2017 #5
The obvious answer. guillaumeb Jun 2017 #6
Then edhopper Jun 2017 #7
I believe that I have read this comment elsewhere. guillaumeb Jun 2017 #8
Actually edhopper Jun 2017 #9
Meantime, judges define religion Bretton Garcia Jun 2017 #17
The SCOTUS, as we know, guillaumeb Jun 2017 #18
When government controls religion... Bretton Garcia Jun 2017 #19
When Government, or big business, controls the historical narrative..... guillaumeb Jun 2017 #20
Personally, I might prefer a secular authority Bretton Garcia Jun 2017 #21
What I infer is that there are lots and lots of religious bigots in positions of power. trotsky Jun 2017 #10
See #6. guillaumeb Jun 2017 #11
Yes, your post #6 confirms that. trotsky Jun 2017 #12
Your response confirms something for me. guillaumeb Jun 2017 #13
Why do you believe that? Lordquinton Jun 2017 #14
Post #6 was my answer. eom guillaumeb Jun 2017 #15
Ok... Lordquinton Jun 2017 #16

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
1. I'm not aware of any other kind of corporation that could get away with blantant discrimination.
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 10:06 AM
Jun 2017

How long will we allow this to persist?

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
2. As long as most believers continue to be oblivious to the benefits of religious privilege.
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 11:04 AM
Jun 2017

So in other words, probably a long time.

Heddi

(18,312 posts)
3. Yes but dont forget
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 12:14 PM
Jun 2017

Christians and other people of faith are persecuted when we post things that are critical about religion

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
6. The obvious answer.
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 06:46 PM
Jun 2017

That they followed the law and interpreted the Constitution. We may disagree with the law as it is written, we may criticize the intent of those who wrote the law, but a unanimous decision suggests agreement as to how the law must be interpreted.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
8. I believe that I have read this comment elsewhere.
Thu Jun 8, 2017, 08:43 PM
Jun 2017

But with sufficient and consistent turnout, change is possible.

edhopper

(33,587 posts)
9. Actually
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 08:05 AM
Jun 2017

we would just need the SCOTUS to say that Gay people are covered under the Constitution.
They did so with Gay marriage.
They also said corporations can have religion, so who knows?
Of course with Trump appointing judges, it will be a generation before the SCOTUS upholds people's rights again.

Bretton Garcia

(970 posts)
17. Meantime, judges define religion
Sat Jun 10, 2017, 06:18 AM
Jun 2017

This lower court judge just told us what is critical to the mission of a church.

But isn't that a violation of the separation of church and state?

US judges shouldn't be telling us what a good church should be like.

Or telling us that religion is exempt from laws that apply to everybody else.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
18. The SCOTUS, as we know,
Sat Jun 10, 2017, 12:47 PM
Jun 2017

interprets the Law. And the Law is not unchanging, but if the law is written in such a way that there is an 8-0 decision, it suggests that this is not seen by the SCOTUS as a liberal vs conservative issue.

Unless you subscribe to the idea (that was very popular in the 1960s) that President Kennedy, and by extension Catholics, would have allegiance to the Pope over the country. That was quite a popular right wing talking point.

Bretton Garcia

(970 posts)
19. When government controls religion...
Sat Jun 10, 2017, 03:51 PM
Jun 2017

Or defines it, should believers ever be smug? It might just as well be defined somewhat differently, next

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
20. When Government, or big business, controls the historical narrative.....
Sat Jun 10, 2017, 07:47 PM
Jun 2017

or defines it, should citizens ever be smug?

No matter what I believe, or how I feel about the SCOTUS decision, the fact that it was unanimous shows something.

Bretton Garcia

(970 posts)
21. Personally, I might prefer a secular authority
Sat Jun 10, 2017, 11:33 PM
Jun 2017

Which does not pretend to be absolutely authoritative or "eternal." But which frankly admits it is merely human. And therefore, fallible. And changeable.

One if the advantages of some kinds of humanism: modesty, and flexibility.

So what that 1964 Title VII decision or Equal Opportunity, non-discrimination law affirmed, was that in 1964, no one was willing to firmly take religion on. Not very directly. Not for now.

But it did soon establish that the courts could stipulate what religion was real, or acceptible. And what was not.

And soon, more than 50 years later? What is regarded as acceptable, could change.

Religious headhunting and cannibalism, and Muslim terrorism, are already stipulated not to be acceptable religion.

And next?

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
10. What I infer is that there are lots and lots of religious bigots in positions of power.
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 09:21 AM
Jun 2017

Thus my comment: "Religious bigotry and religious privilege prevail."

What do YOU infer from it being a unanimous decision?

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
12. Yes, your post #6 confirms that.
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 02:55 PM
Jun 2017

There are lots of bigoted religious people in power.

Thanks for agreeing.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
14. Why do you believe that?
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 05:16 PM
Jun 2017

It was or wasn't, not a matter of belief.

Do you support religious groups discriminating like this?

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
16. Ok...
Sat Jun 10, 2017, 01:28 AM
Jun 2017

"Do you support religious groups discriminating like this?"

"6. The obvious answer.

That they followed the law and interpreted the Constitution. We may disagree with the law as it is written, we may criticize the intent of those who wrote the law, but a unanimous decision suggests agreement as to how the law must be interpret"

Your answer is a non-sequitor, the question is unanswered.

(This seems somehow familiar)

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