“It’s good to always tell people about spirituality, spirituality. But sometimes, spirituality without help is not helping,” she said. “If I’m reading the Bible to you, and you’re hungry, you’re not going to think about the Bible."

Fowler tries to help materially when she can. Many times, so often that her own children chide her about it, she’s given a mom the rent money she needs to avoid eviction. Once, when a mother showed up with her young daughter, having been kicked out of her father’s apartment, Fowler went to Home Depot to buy them a refrigerator for their new place.